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<p>[QUOTE="Pavlos, post: 7752117, member: 96635"]Electrum can also be made artificially, atleast that was done in the late Byzantine empire as separated denomination, the gold and silver content were controlled. Ofcourse debasement happened, so did debasement of a gold coin that kind of turned into an electrum coin as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>Debased that it almost looks silver rather than electrum:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2021-3-30_22-11-28-png.1280776/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>Manuel I Comnenus (1143-1180). Electrum Aspron Trachy. Constantinople mint, Type C, ca. 1160-1164.</b></p><p><b>Obverse:</b> ΙC - ΧC Christ Pantocrator, standing facing, nimbate and enrobed, raising right hand in benediction and holding book of Gospels with his left; in field to left and right, star.</p><p><b>Reverse:</b> MA-NVHΛ - O/ ΘЄ/O/Δ/ω/PO/C Manuel and St. Theodore standing facing, both holding a sword in their outer hand, and holding a long patriarchal cross set on a globe between them.</p><p><b>Reference:</b> DOC 4c; Sear 1959.</p><p>4.63g; 33mm</p><p><br /></p><p>And a debased gold hyperpyron that kind of turned into Electrum now:</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2021-3-1_21-33-27-png.1262887/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>Andronicus II Palaeologus, 1282-1328. AV Hyperpyron Nomisma. Constantinople mint, 1282-1294.</b></p><p><b>Obverse:</b> Bust of the Virgin orans within the city walls furnished with six groups of towers; in lower field, CZ-ZC sigla.</p><p><b>Reverse:</b> ANΔPO/NIKOC E/ XΩ T C/IΛIΠ/TICO IC/XC Andronicus on left, nimbate and kneeling right blessed by Christ standing facing on right, with decorated nimbus, holding Book of Gospels; between them fleur-de-lis; to right, C/N.</p><p><b>Reference:</b> DOC 225 var (sigla). PCPC 91B <i>Sigla</i> 77 var. SB 2326.</p><p>25mm, 4.28g</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyhow, I suppose you mean the Archaic Greek electrum pieces.</p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/316-3-jpg.1249078/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>Islands off Caria, Kos. EL Forty-eighth Stater, Phokaic standard. Circa 625-600 B.C.</b></p><p><b><b>Obverse:</b></b> Crab.</p><p><b>Reverse:</b> Incuse square.</p><p><b><b>Reference:</b> </b>Stefanaki Series I, unlisted denomination; HN Online –; cf. HGC 6, 1295 (1/96th stater).</p><p>0.34g</p><p><br /></p><p>The EL staters of Kos were struck using the Phokaic standard of circa 16 grams, which was also used in Ionia and Mysia. The intrinsic value of the early electrum, even down to the 1/96th stater, was too high for use in everyday commerce, and early coinage must have been used only for the transfer of large sums of money, such as mercantile transactions, payment of government expenses (mercenaries, tribute and such), and donatives, either for services rendered to individuals or the state, or to religious foundations.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Pavlos, post: 7752117, member: 96635"]Electrum can also be made artificially, atleast that was done in the late Byzantine empire as separated denomination, the gold and silver content were controlled. Ofcourse debasement happened, so did debasement of a gold coin that kind of turned into an electrum coin as well. Debased that it almost looks silver rather than electrum: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2021-3-30_22-11-28-png.1280776/[/IMG] [B]Manuel I Comnenus (1143-1180). Electrum Aspron Trachy. Constantinople mint, Type C, ca. 1160-1164. Obverse:[/B] ΙC - ΧC Christ Pantocrator, standing facing, nimbate and enrobed, raising right hand in benediction and holding book of Gospels with his left; in field to left and right, star. [B]Reverse:[/B] MA-NVHΛ - O/ ΘЄ/O/Δ/ω/PO/C Manuel and St. Theodore standing facing, both holding a sword in their outer hand, and holding a long patriarchal cross set on a globe between them. [B]Reference:[/B] DOC 4c; Sear 1959. 4.63g; 33mm And a debased gold hyperpyron that kind of turned into Electrum now: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2021-3-1_21-33-27-png.1262887/[/IMG] [B]Andronicus II Palaeologus, 1282-1328. AV Hyperpyron Nomisma. Constantinople mint, 1282-1294. Obverse:[/B] Bust of the Virgin orans within the city walls furnished with six groups of towers; in lower field, CZ-ZC sigla. [B]Reverse:[/B] ANΔPO/NIKOC E/ XΩ T C/IΛIΠ/TICO IC/XC Andronicus on left, nimbate and kneeling right blessed by Christ standing facing on right, with decorated nimbus, holding Book of Gospels; between them fleur-de-lis; to right, C/N. [B]Reference:[/B] DOC 225 var (sigla). PCPC 91B [I]Sigla[/I] 77 var. SB 2326. 25mm, 4.28g Anyhow, I suppose you mean the Archaic Greek electrum pieces. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/316-3-jpg.1249078/[/IMG] [B]Islands off Caria, Kos. EL Forty-eighth Stater, Phokaic standard. Circa 625-600 B.C. [B]Obverse:[/B][/B] Crab. [B]Reverse:[/B] Incuse square. [B][B]Reference:[/B] [/B]Stefanaki Series I, unlisted denomination; HN Online –; cf. HGC 6, 1295 (1/96th stater). 0.34g The EL staters of Kos were struck using the Phokaic standard of circa 16 grams, which was also used in Ionia and Mysia. The intrinsic value of the early electrum, even down to the 1/96th stater, was too high for use in everyday commerce, and early coinage must have been used only for the transfer of large sums of money, such as mercantile transactions, payment of government expenses (mercenaries, tribute and such), and donatives, either for services rendered to individuals or the state, or to religious foundations.[/QUOTE]
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