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<p>[QUOTE="Orielensis, post: 3923186, member: 96898"]How very nice to see so many Freiburg coins here! Since Freiburg is my <i>alma mater</i> and connected to many cherished memories, that raven (as well as the soccer club) have a very special place in my heart.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your comment on the identity of the bird on the medieval coins from Freiburg has made me curious. I've seen it described as both an eagle and a raven, and some older publications (see below) make a strong case for it being an eagle. Maybe there has been more recent research that I am not aware of?</p><p><br /></p><p>I really do not want to hijack your top 10 thread, so please excuse me. But since it's always so nice to have a little medieval Breisgau discussion, I couldn't help myself...</p><p><br /></p><p>Schröder understood the bird's head to depict an eagle. He argues that it is not of a civic heraldic nature, but simply a coiner's mark or device (<i>Münzzeichen</i>) that the city borrowed from the Counts of Freiburg in 1327, who used an eagle in their coat of arms:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1034223[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="3">Edward Schröder, "Studien zu deutschen Münznamen. I: Der Rappen," in: <i>Numismatische Monatsschrift</i> 274 (1903), 2884–2891, 2885.</font></p><p><br /></p><p>Geiges came to similar conclusions but remarked that the bird changed into a raven later on in the 15th century:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1034224[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="3">Fritz Geiges, "Das historische Wappen der Stadt Freiburg," in: <i>Schau-ins-Land. Jahresheft des Breisgau-Geschichtsvereins Schauinsland </i>9 (1882), 22–25, 23.</font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Orielensis, post: 3923186, member: 96898"]How very nice to see so many Freiburg coins here! Since Freiburg is my [I]alma mater[/I] and connected to many cherished memories, that raven (as well as the soccer club) have a very special place in my heart. Your comment on the identity of the bird on the medieval coins from Freiburg has made me curious. I've seen it described as both an eagle and a raven, and some older publications (see below) make a strong case for it being an eagle. Maybe there has been more recent research that I am not aware of? I really do not want to hijack your top 10 thread, so please excuse me. But since it's always so nice to have a little medieval Breisgau discussion, I couldn't help myself... Schröder understood the bird's head to depict an eagle. He argues that it is not of a civic heraldic nature, but simply a coiner's mark or device ([I]Münzzeichen[/I]) that the city borrowed from the Counts of Freiburg in 1327, who used an eagle in their coat of arms: [ATTACH=full]1034223[/ATTACH] [SIZE=3]Edward Schröder, "Studien zu deutschen Münznamen. I: Der Rappen," in: [I]Numismatische Monatsschrift[/I] 274 (1903), 2884–2891, 2885.[/SIZE] Geiges came to similar conclusions but remarked that the bird changed into a raven later on in the 15th century: [ATTACH=full]1034224[/ATTACH] [SIZE=3]Fritz Geiges, "Das historische Wappen der Stadt Freiburg," in: [I]Schau-ins-Land. Jahresheft des Breisgau-Geschichtsvereins Schauinsland [/I]9 (1882), 22–25, 23.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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