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<p>[QUOTE="Silver Striker, post: 39249, member: 1745"]Has anyone noticed about 3 to 4 months ago ABONCOM's auctions on e-Bay made a change in the way they listed and pictured their coins and COA's?</p><p><br /></p><p>I noticed this starting right after their first auction of the silver strike Circus Circus that they had listed as being a Chipco.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a picture of the items as shown in that auction.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~nhavens/sgsserial1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>After seeing this auction several silver strike and chip collectors wrote to ABONCOM to inform them about their token and that it wasn't a Chipco.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a picture of the items resulting in the new auction.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~nhavens/sgsserial2.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Note now that the serial number on the slab has changed and the COA is now changed to a blank pro-forma.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now take a look at this current ABONCOM auction coin.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://home.comcast.net/~nhavens/sgshalf.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Notice that the area where SGS places the serial numbers is now digitally greyed out. Also the supplied COA is a blank pro-forma.</p><p><br /></p><p>I've noticed that all of the recent casino tokens offered had the serial numbers listed on the slabs in the auctions and were not greyed out. However the COA's were all blank pro-formas. This leads me to believe that SGS/ABONCOM only had ONE of these items to sell and had no additional duplicates. I also noted that most of the grades on the tokens were NOT of the very top grades. Still they used a Chip Grading scale on them.</p><p><br /></p><p>I haven't gone to the trouble to check ALL of ABONCOM's coin auctions but, the many I have looked at all have the serial numbers digitally greyed out and are accompanied with the blank pro-forma COA.</p><p><br /></p><p>MORE PROOF other than the domain ownership of ABON.COM and STARGRADING.ORG being one and the same, that they are. Otherwise, how can ABONCOM offer blank pro-forma COA's?</p><p><br /></p><p>Now by removing the serial numbers on the actual coin slabs offered in the auctions they can now take any coin and slab/grade/authenitcate it create a matching COA and send it to you instead of the actual coin pictured in the auction.</p><p><br /></p><p>This in itself seems to be a violation of e-Bay rules.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html" rel="nofollow">http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: red"># Include a clear picture of the actual coin or paper money item that you are offering for sale</span> </p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: red"># Specifically identify every individual coin or paper money item listed to avoid misunderstandings about the nature of your items. .</span></p><p><br /></p><p>This is NOT what ABONCOM is doing. By digitally removing the serial numbers on the slabbed coin they are NOT sending you that exact coin and probably have no intent to do so. They are removing that coins specific identity.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is their easy solution to the old "BAIT and SWITCH" game.</p><p><br /></p><p>I haven't taken the time to write e-Bay regarding ABONCOM's appearent bending of the rules with coins. I did write to e-Bay regarding their selling of Silver Strikes using a Chip Grading Scale and problems with their identification. I receive an e-mail back acknowloging my expertise as a Silver Stike collector (I authored the first price guide) but they cannot guarantee anything and that I should ask questions of the seller!!!! Yeah right ask this person who know's nothing about these tokens and cannot read? Yeah right. So far I have let it go. I just feel sorry for the many bidders who bid on the casino items. Thankfully, some have gone under value and some have questionable higher prices. I've tried to keep my collecting friends abreast of what's happening on their message boards.</p><p><br /></p><p>Question now, is ABONCOM breaking e-Bay rules by digitally greying out the serial numbers on the slabs?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Silver Striker, post: 39249, member: 1745"]Has anyone noticed about 3 to 4 months ago ABONCOM's auctions on e-Bay made a change in the way they listed and pictured their coins and COA's? I noticed this starting right after their first auction of the silver strike Circus Circus that they had listed as being a Chipco. Here's a picture of the items as shown in that auction. [center][img]http://home.comcast.net/~nhavens/sgsserial1.jpg[/img][/center] After seeing this auction several silver strike and chip collectors wrote to ABONCOM to inform them about their token and that it wasn't a Chipco. Here's a picture of the items resulting in the new auction. [center][img]http://home.comcast.net/~nhavens/sgsserial2.jpg[/img][/center] Note now that the serial number on the slab has changed and the COA is now changed to a blank pro-forma. Now take a look at this current ABONCOM auction coin. [center][img]http://home.comcast.net/~nhavens/sgshalf.jpg[/img][/center] Notice that the area where SGS places the serial numbers is now digitally greyed out. Also the supplied COA is a blank pro-forma. I've noticed that all of the recent casino tokens offered had the serial numbers listed on the slabs in the auctions and were not greyed out. However the COA's were all blank pro-formas. This leads me to believe that SGS/ABONCOM only had ONE of these items to sell and had no additional duplicates. I also noted that most of the grades on the tokens were NOT of the very top grades. Still they used a Chip Grading scale on them. I haven't gone to the trouble to check ALL of ABONCOM's coin auctions but, the many I have looked at all have the serial numbers digitally greyed out and are accompanied with the blank pro-forma COA. MORE PROOF other than the domain ownership of ABON.COM and STARGRADING.ORG being one and the same, that they are. Otherwise, how can ABONCOM offer blank pro-forma COA's? Now by removing the serial numbers on the actual coin slabs offered in the auctions they can now take any coin and slab/grade/authenitcate it create a matching COA and send it to you instead of the actual coin pictured in the auction. This in itself seems to be a violation of e-Bay rules. [url]http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-coins.html[/url] [COLOR=red]# Include a clear picture of the actual coin or paper money item that you are offering for sale[/COLOR] [COLOR=red]# Specifically identify every individual coin or paper money item listed to avoid misunderstandings about the nature of your items. .[/COLOR] This is NOT what ABONCOM is doing. By digitally removing the serial numbers on the slabbed coin they are NOT sending you that exact coin and probably have no intent to do so. They are removing that coins specific identity. This is their easy solution to the old "BAIT and SWITCH" game. I haven't taken the time to write e-Bay regarding ABONCOM's appearent bending of the rules with coins. I did write to e-Bay regarding their selling of Silver Strikes using a Chip Grading Scale and problems with their identification. I receive an e-mail back acknowloging my expertise as a Silver Stike collector (I authored the first price guide) but they cannot guarantee anything and that I should ask questions of the seller!!!! Yeah right ask this person who know's nothing about these tokens and cannot read? Yeah right. So far I have let it go. I just feel sorry for the many bidders who bid on the casino items. Thankfully, some have gone under value and some have questionable higher prices. I've tried to keep my collecting friends abreast of what's happening on their message boards. Question now, is ABONCOM breaking e-Bay rules by digitally greying out the serial numbers on the slabs?[/QUOTE]
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