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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2453143, member: 112"]Of course it counts. And yes they were definitely grading using a much tighter set of standards - the same one they used for the first 20 years they were in business.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Oh I agree they've evolved alright <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> They've loosened them, and loosened them, and then loosened them some more - all so they could keep on getting people to send in coins for upgrades - because they ran out of coins to grade. Other than moderns and new issues of course.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for learned more about grading- HORSE PUCKEY ! Have they, or could they, learn more about varieties and stuff like that ? Yeah, they could, maybe even about how to identify counterfeits. But that doesn't have anything to do with grading. Knowing how to recognize wear on a coin, knowing how to quantify the quality of the luster or quality of strike, knowing how to see hairlines, contact marks, and defects/flaws - people in numismatics have known how to do all of that since before the TPGs existed. So no, they have not learned any more about grading.</p><p><br /></p><p>What they have learned is that people will continue to believe their nonsense as long as they keep upgrading coins - and pay them to do it to boot !</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That's one possibility, but both NGC and PCGS have said no to 100 point grading. Personally, I believe they will do a complete about face and return to the same strict standards they used for the first 20 years they were in business.</p><p><br /></p><p>It will in effect be history repeating itself just like it was in 1986/87 when all 65s became 63s literally overnight. And by doing that, going back to the strict grading standards - all coins currently in slabs will of course need to be re-graded and put in new slabs.</p><p><br /></p><p>They don't have much choice is they want to continue to get submissions, for they have all but run out of coins to upgrade once again.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 2453143, member: 112"]Of course it counts. And yes they were definitely grading using a much tighter set of standards - the same one they used for the first 20 years they were in business. Oh I agree they've evolved alright :rolleyes: They've loosened them, and loosened them, and then loosened them some more - all so they could keep on getting people to send in coins for upgrades - because they ran out of coins to grade. Other than moderns and new issues of course. As for learned more about grading- HORSE PUCKEY ! Have they, or could they, learn more about varieties and stuff like that ? Yeah, they could, maybe even about how to identify counterfeits. But that doesn't have anything to do with grading. Knowing how to recognize wear on a coin, knowing how to quantify the quality of the luster or quality of strike, knowing how to see hairlines, contact marks, and defects/flaws - people in numismatics have known how to do all of that since before the TPGs existed. So no, they have not learned any more about grading. What they have learned is that people will continue to believe their nonsense as long as they keep upgrading coins - and pay them to do it to boot ! That's one possibility, but both NGC and PCGS have said no to 100 point grading. Personally, I believe they will do a complete about face and return to the same strict standards they used for the first 20 years they were in business. It will in effect be history repeating itself just like it was in 1986/87 when all 65s became 63s literally overnight. And by doing that, going back to the strict grading standards - all coins currently in slabs will of course need to be re-graded and put in new slabs. They don't have much choice is they want to continue to get submissions, for they have all but run out of coins to upgrade once again.[/QUOTE]
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