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<p>[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 8141541, member: 75937"]Really cool coins, [USER=91240]@SeptimusT[/USER]! You had a great year! My favorites are the Isis-Tyche of Faustina with the misengraved obverse legend (more about this, below), the Triton from Cyzicus, and the Hecate Triformis of Apameia.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your Faustina provincial is VERY interesting. It was struck with the same obverse die as RPC 9054.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/isis-jpg.1417698/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://gallica.bnf.fr/iiif/ark:/12148/btv1b8498108p/f1/full/,1000/0/native.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>You'll see the obverse inscription on the RPC specimen (BnF, Paris) clearly ends in CЄ CЄΒ CЄΒΑ ΘVΓA. The whole thing reads -- as you and the editors of RPC IV note -- ΦΑΥϹΤЄΙΝΑ ϹЄΒ ЄΥ-CЄ CЄΒ CЄΒΑ ΘVΓA. This is translated into Latin as FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG AVGA FIL -- Faustina, daughter of Pius Augustus Augustus, Augusta. The CЄΒ (the second Augustus) shouldn't be there; it's superfluous.</p><p><br /></p><p>Contrast the inscription on my specimen, issued the same year (ΠΗ=88) as yours.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/faustina-jr-neapolis-tyche-jpg.1156309/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><blockquote><p><font size="3">Faustina II, AD 147-175.</font></p><p><font size="3">Roman provincial Æ 26.85 mm, 13.64 g, 12 h.</font></p><p><font size="3">Samaria, Neapolis, city year 88, AD 159/160.</font></p><p><font size="3">Obv: ΦΑVCΤЄΙΝΑ CЄΒ ЄVCЄ CЄΒΑ ΘVΓ, diademed and draped bust, right.</font></p><p><font size="3">Rev: ΦΛ ΝЄΑCΠΟΛЄѠ CVΡΙΑC ΠΑΛΑΙCΤΙ, Isis-Tyche, wearing hem-hem crown, standing left, holding rudder and cornucopiae; ЄΤ-ΠΗ (=year 88).</font></p><p><font size="3">Refs: RPC IV.3, <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/6340" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/6340" rel="nofollow">6340</a> (temporary); Lindgren A2431B; SNG ANS 973; Hendin 880; Rosenberger 20.</font></p><p><font size="3">Notes: The obverse titulature, ΦΑVCΤЄΙΝΑ CЄΒ ЄVCЄ CЄΒΑ ΘVΓ, is translated as "Faustina Augusta, daughter of Pius Augustus" and corresponds to the Latin FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL found on imperial issues for her. Ex George Fisher Collection. </font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>These coins demonstrate that dating provincial coins with the same criteria as imperial ones is fraught with difficulty. The empress on these coins is wearing a hairstyle most consistent with Beckmann's type 2 hairstyle, in use from November 149 - Autumn, 154 on her imperial coins. The Greek inscription on these provincials corresponds to the Latin FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL found used on imperial issues in use for about four or five months beginning about May AD 151, followed by the FAVSTINA AVG ANTONINI AVG PII FIL legend, which was in use for about seven or eight months, from the end of summer AD 151 to about June AD 152, after which it reverted to the FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL legend, which was in use through the end of AD 155.</p><p><br /></p><p>See, for example, this denarius which uses the combination of the FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL inscription and the type 2 coiffure and which dates to mid 152- autumn 154:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/faustina-jr-concordia-seated-denarius-type-2-hairstyle-jpg.1361776/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><blockquote><p><font size="3">Refs: RIC 502a(3); BMCRE 1086-87; Cohen 54; RCV 4704; Strack 506; CRE 167.</font></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>So, were we to apply imperial dating criteria to the provincial, we'd date it to sometime between 151-154. But the coin itself IS dated, to the Neapolis city year 88. The city was founded by the Roman Emperor Vespasian after the Jewish War; the <a href="https://second.wiki/wiki/flavia_neapolis" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://second.wiki/wiki/flavia_neapolis" rel="nofollow">era of the city dates back to the year 72 AD</a>. The year ЄΤ-ΠΗ (=year 88) is thus 159/160 (See Sear Greek Imperial Coins no. 1681, p. 155). The mint in Neapolis was some five to eight years out of date compared to the mint at Rome when it came to its portraiture and titulature for the empress!!!</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't mean to hijack your thread but I hope you find this information interesting.</p><p><br /></p><p>May 2022 bring you as much collecting success and joy as 2021![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 8141541, member: 75937"]Really cool coins, [USER=91240]@SeptimusT[/USER]! You had a great year! My favorites are the Isis-Tyche of Faustina with the misengraved obverse legend (more about this, below), the Triton from Cyzicus, and the Hecate Triformis of Apameia. Your Faustina provincial is VERY interesting. It was struck with the same obverse die as RPC 9054. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/isis-jpg.1417698/[/IMG] [IMG]https://gallica.bnf.fr/iiif/ark:/12148/btv1b8498108p/f1/full/,1000/0/native.jpg[/IMG] You'll see the obverse inscription on the RPC specimen (BnF, Paris) clearly ends in CЄ CЄΒ CЄΒΑ ΘVΓA. The whole thing reads -- as you and the editors of RPC IV note -- ΦΑΥϹΤЄΙΝΑ ϹЄΒ ЄΥ-CЄ CЄΒ CЄΒΑ ΘVΓA. This is translated into Latin as FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG AVGA FIL -- Faustina, daughter of Pius Augustus Augustus, Augusta. The CЄΒ (the second Augustus) shouldn't be there; it's superfluous. Contrast the inscription on my specimen, issued the same year (ΠΗ=88) as yours. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/faustina-jr-neapolis-tyche-jpg.1156309/[/IMG] [INDENT][SIZE=3]Faustina II, AD 147-175. Roman provincial Æ 26.85 mm, 13.64 g, 12 h. Samaria, Neapolis, city year 88, AD 159/160. Obv: ΦΑVCΤЄΙΝΑ CЄΒ ЄVCЄ CЄΒΑ ΘVΓ, diademed and draped bust, right. Rev: ΦΛ ΝЄΑCΠΟΛЄѠ CVΡΙΑC ΠΑΛΑΙCΤΙ, Isis-Tyche, wearing hem-hem crown, standing left, holding rudder and cornucopiae; ЄΤ-ΠΗ (=year 88). Refs: RPC IV.3, [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/6340']6340[/URL] (temporary); Lindgren A2431B; SNG ANS 973; Hendin 880; Rosenberger 20. Notes: The obverse titulature, ΦΑVCΤЄΙΝΑ CЄΒ ЄVCЄ CЄΒΑ ΘVΓ, is translated as "Faustina Augusta, daughter of Pius Augustus" and corresponds to the Latin FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL found on imperial issues for her. Ex George Fisher Collection. [/SIZE][/INDENT] These coins demonstrate that dating provincial coins with the same criteria as imperial ones is fraught with difficulty. The empress on these coins is wearing a hairstyle most consistent with Beckmann's type 2 hairstyle, in use from November 149 - Autumn, 154 on her imperial coins. The Greek inscription on these provincials corresponds to the Latin FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL found used on imperial issues in use for about four or five months beginning about May AD 151, followed by the FAVSTINA AVG ANTONINI AVG PII FIL legend, which was in use for about seven or eight months, from the end of summer AD 151 to about June AD 152, after which it reverted to the FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL legend, which was in use through the end of AD 155. See, for example, this denarius which uses the combination of the FAVSTINA AVG PII AVG FIL inscription and the type 2 coiffure and which dates to mid 152- autumn 154: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/faustina-jr-concordia-seated-denarius-type-2-hairstyle-jpg.1361776/[/IMG] [INDENT][SIZE=3]Refs: RIC 502a(3); BMCRE 1086-87; Cohen 54; RCV 4704; Strack 506; CRE 167.[/SIZE][/INDENT] So, were we to apply imperial dating criteria to the provincial, we'd date it to sometime between 151-154. But the coin itself IS dated, to the Neapolis city year 88. The city was founded by the Roman Emperor Vespasian after the Jewish War; the [URL='https://second.wiki/wiki/flavia_neapolis']era of the city dates back to the year 72 AD[/URL]. The year ЄΤ-ΠΗ (=year 88) is thus 159/160 (See Sear Greek Imperial Coins no. 1681, p. 155). The mint in Neapolis was some five to eight years out of date compared to the mint at Rome when it came to its portraiture and titulature for the empress!!! I don't mean to hijack your thread but I hope you find this information interesting. May 2022 bring you as much collecting success and joy as 2021![/QUOTE]
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