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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 7846961, member: 19463"]Nice coin and from the early period I find of greatest interest </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350774[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The type also comes in bronze:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350776[/ATTACH] </p><p>I enjoy the drachms of Caesarea and have several that bring up questions/observations. First, there are no year one ET A coins but ET B is one of the more common years. I am looking forward to an upcoming sale of a specialized collection of Caesarea which might shed some light on the matter. The reason there are no ET A coins is that the city was in the control of Pescennius Niger then and Severus was in year 2 when he took over there. Cities that did not declare for Septimius Severus and had supported Pescennius Niger were punished. Allowing one to issue silver coins in year two is not consistent with the idea of punishment. I am unclear on this.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are also year 2 drachms of Caesarea with a Nike reverse. I show two because one is dated E R while the other (later?) is the standard ET R. Using the R form of Beta (those letters were commonly confused but lets remember that the Latin R sound was P in Greek and the people who made these coins were Greek speakers. I have assumed all of the mountain coins followed the Nike series. I am anxious to see what is in the collection to be sold if/when it is published. I won't be buying coins under current market conditions but I could get some answers.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350771[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1350772[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Another question I have is whether my observation that some years had many coins of Caesarea while others had none is supported. There are many ET E (5) but I lack that one for Septimius. ET IZ (17) is common. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350775[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The town also issued coins for Domna </p><p>Year 5 Aphrodite</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350781[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Year 5 Fortuna/Tyche</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350782[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>ET K under Caracalla - (I have seen fewer of these and want to see what comes to light in the future.)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350783[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>and Caracalla.</p><p>Year 5 (silver but toned black)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350785[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>AE year 13</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1350786[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Now for the big question: The British Museum has relabeled their denarii previously known as "Emesa" to read "Cappodocia". I do not understand or accept the move. The denarius production ceased about the time of the common ET E drachms and were in massive production in the period 194-196 which could explain the lack of drachms but I can't convince myself of the relationship between the two styles that would make me assign them to the same mint. Of course they could be two completely separate mints in the same city. There is too much here that is flying over my head. I still believe the denarii were more likely produced by mints travelling with Septimius but that is just a dream I prefer over listening to experts who insist on naming cities. Are the coins below (now listed in the BM as Cappadocia) related to the drachms? Are they proposing a different city neighboring Caesarea? Have they published an explanation I have missed? </p><p><img src="https://a4.pbase.com/o6/88/582688/1/136066702.MbmctwjD.rs0640bb1799.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://a4.pbase.com/o2/88/582688/1/106728483.N8GBDeRT.rs0880b00158lg.JPG" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://a4.pbase.com/o4/88/582688/1/125882671.XcEyTNjL.rs1870bb1564.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The more I learn, the less I 'know'.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 7846961, member: 19463"]Nice coin and from the early period I find of greatest interest [ATTACH=full]1350774[/ATTACH] The type also comes in bronze: [ATTACH=full]1350776[/ATTACH] I enjoy the drachms of Caesarea and have several that bring up questions/observations. First, there are no year one ET A coins but ET B is one of the more common years. I am looking forward to an upcoming sale of a specialized collection of Caesarea which might shed some light on the matter. The reason there are no ET A coins is that the city was in the control of Pescennius Niger then and Severus was in year 2 when he took over there. Cities that did not declare for Septimius Severus and had supported Pescennius Niger were punished. Allowing one to issue silver coins in year two is not consistent with the idea of punishment. I am unclear on this. There are also year 2 drachms of Caesarea with a Nike reverse. I show two because one is dated E R while the other (later?) is the standard ET R. Using the R form of Beta (those letters were commonly confused but lets remember that the Latin R sound was P in Greek and the people who made these coins were Greek speakers. I have assumed all of the mountain coins followed the Nike series. I am anxious to see what is in the collection to be sold if/when it is published. I won't be buying coins under current market conditions but I could get some answers. [ATTACH=full]1350771[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1350772[/ATTACH] Another question I have is whether my observation that some years had many coins of Caesarea while others had none is supported. There are many ET E (5) but I lack that one for Septimius. ET IZ (17) is common. [ATTACH=full]1350775[/ATTACH] The town also issued coins for Domna Year 5 Aphrodite [ATTACH=full]1350781[/ATTACH] Year 5 Fortuna/Tyche [ATTACH=full]1350782[/ATTACH] ET K under Caracalla - (I have seen fewer of these and want to see what comes to light in the future.) [ATTACH=full]1350783[/ATTACH] and Caracalla. Year 5 (silver but toned black) [ATTACH=full]1350785[/ATTACH] AE year 13 [ATTACH=full]1350786[/ATTACH] Now for the big question: The British Museum has relabeled their denarii previously known as "Emesa" to read "Cappodocia". I do not understand or accept the move. The denarius production ceased about the time of the common ET E drachms and were in massive production in the period 194-196 which could explain the lack of drachms but I can't convince myself of the relationship between the two styles that would make me assign them to the same mint. Of course they could be two completely separate mints in the same city. There is too much here that is flying over my head. I still believe the denarii were more likely produced by mints travelling with Septimius but that is just a dream I prefer over listening to experts who insist on naming cities. Are the coins below (now listed in the BM as Cappadocia) related to the drachms? Are they proposing a different city neighboring Caesarea? Have they published an explanation I have missed? [IMG]https://a4.pbase.com/o6/88/582688/1/136066702.MbmctwjD.rs0640bb1799.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://a4.pbase.com/o2/88/582688/1/106728483.N8GBDeRT.rs0880b00158lg.JPG[/IMG] [IMG]https://a4.pbase.com/o4/88/582688/1/125882671.XcEyTNjL.rs1870bb1564.jpg[/IMG] The more I learn, the less I 'know'.[/QUOTE]
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