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<p>[QUOTE="maridvnvm, post: 7910896, member: 31620"][USER=96898]@Orielensis[/USER] has shared a classic "Emesa" later period COS II with Moneta standing. One of the things that you notice with this coinage is that there is a shortening of legends over time. The earliest issues using longer forms of the legends and you can see them shorten over time. This is evident when you look at such a coin in the context of the series as a whole but then if you bear this in mind it can help you roughly place some coins in the chronology based on the reverse legend length.</p><p><br /></p><p>I will stick to standing varieties and ignore Moneta seated for now.....</p><p><br /></p><p>The first issue from the mint is the "AVG" issue</p><p><br /></p><p>RIC identifies 359 - MONET AVG (citing Cohen, which doesn't give a source) and 359A MONETAE AVG (citing R D) as being part of this series. I don't have either of these. BMCRE only refers to them as described above. I have no doubt that the MONETAE exists but I do doubt that the MONET coin exists and it is quite possibly a mis-reading. I illustrate candidates of the reverse die below for the MONETAE coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here we find it with the II COS reverse legend sub-series</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP CE L SEP SEV PEPT AVG, Laureate head right</p><p>Rev:– MONETAE AVG II COS, Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left</p><p>Minted in Emesa. A.D. 193</p><p>Reference:– BMCRE -. RIC IV -. RSC -.</p><p><br /></p><p>3.18g, 18.87mm, 0o</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064il_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>And here we have a mis-spelling of MONETAE</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG, laureate head right</p><p>Rev:– BONETAE AVG (sic), Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left</p><p>Minted in Emesa. A.D. 193</p><p>Reference(s) – RIC - (unlisted cf. 359A, which is scarce citing RD). RSC -. BMCRE - .</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064tt_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>There is a set of obverse dies that end AVG II C, AVG CO etc. that don't fit into any logical pattern from a chronological perspective. We can however assert that they could well be contemporary with or follow immediately on from the AVG issue because of the die linkage between the BONETAE coin above and the following coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG II C, Laureate head right</p><p>Rev:– BONETAE AVG (sic), Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left</p><p>Minted in Emesa, 194 - 195 A.D.</p><p>References:– RIC -. RSC -. BMC -.</p><p><br /></p><p>3.16g, 18.53mm, 0o</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064gs_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>This peculiar BONETAE die, which is an obvious mis-spelling of MONETAE would imply that a MONETAE SHOULD exist and I can confirm that it does ties to the same obverse die as immediately above.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SE-V PERT AVG II C, laureate head right</p><p>Rev:– MONETAE AVG, Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopia in left</p><p>Minted in Emesa. A.D. 194</p><p>Reference:– RIC -, BMCRE -. RSC -</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064pb_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>I suspect that this could be the MONETAE die found in RD or potentially this one.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064ql_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>It is generally believed that the next transitional issue is the COS I issue which is relatively large compared with those above. </p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SE. - V PERT AVG COS I, Laureate head right</p><p>Rev:– MONET.A.E AVG, Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left</p><p>Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194</p><p>References:– BMC Page 90 (j), RIC Page 139 (7b) (Scarce), RSC 347c</p><p><br /></p><p>2.53g, 17.61mm, 0o</p><p><br /></p><p>Shares the same obverse die as a coin in the Doug Smith collection with a different reverse die</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064gd_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>The COS I issue is quite varied in bust style with the Long bust type being the most recognised.</p><p><br /></p><p>The following, with the same bust style is likely a MONET AVG as we see the reverse legend already shortening</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064nl_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>A more COS II style COS I die with MONET . AVG</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064jl_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>I have a few COS II RIC 411a examples (too many to share them all)</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064mp_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064mt_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>This one is slightly unusual in that the M in MONET is split M-ONET as on the above coins and this one has a MONE-T break. Not of interest to most but interesting to me.</p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064os_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Then we get into more "oddities" but then as has been mentioned before these are all a but odd but some are just more odd than others.</p><p><br /></p><p>One from the "Short Legend" COS II sub-collection</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP CA L SE SEV PER AVG COS II, Laureate head right</p><p>Rev:– MONET AVG, Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left</p><p>Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194</p><p>References:– RIC -, RSC -</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064ts_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>MONEI AVG (double die matched examples)</p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064rn_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064im_img~0.JPG" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>MONE AVG</p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064uq_img.JPG" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>MONTE AVG</p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064ok_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>SPE(sic) SEV in place of SEP SEV on the obverse</p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064sf_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>FORTVN REDVC but depicting Moneta.....</p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064pv_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>And that's just Moneta standing from "Emesa" and only a small subset from my collection of these</p><p><br /></p><p>As [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER] mentioned... someone around here is obsessive about these coins...... I think it might be me....[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="maridvnvm, post: 7910896, member: 31620"][USER=96898]@Orielensis[/USER] has shared a classic "Emesa" later period COS II with Moneta standing. One of the things that you notice with this coinage is that there is a shortening of legends over time. The earliest issues using longer forms of the legends and you can see them shorten over time. This is evident when you look at such a coin in the context of the series as a whole but then if you bear this in mind it can help you roughly place some coins in the chronology based on the reverse legend length. I will stick to standing varieties and ignore Moneta seated for now..... The first issue from the mint is the "AVG" issue RIC identifies 359 - MONET AVG (citing Cohen, which doesn't give a source) and 359A MONETAE AVG (citing R D) as being part of this series. I don't have either of these. BMCRE only refers to them as described above. I have no doubt that the MONETAE exists but I do doubt that the MONET coin exists and it is quite possibly a mis-reading. I illustrate candidates of the reverse die below for the MONETAE coin. Here we find it with the II COS reverse legend sub-series Obv:– IMP CE L SEP SEV PEPT AVG, Laureate head right Rev:– MONETAE AVG II COS, Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left Minted in Emesa. A.D. 193 Reference:– BMCRE -. RIC IV -. RSC -. 3.18g, 18.87mm, 0o [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064il_img.jpg[/IMG] And here we have a mis-spelling of MONETAE Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG, laureate head right Rev:– BONETAE AVG (sic), Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left Minted in Emesa. A.D. 193 Reference(s) – RIC - (unlisted cf. 359A, which is scarce citing RD). RSC -. BMCRE - . [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064tt_img.jpg[/IMG] There is a set of obverse dies that end AVG II C, AVG CO etc. that don't fit into any logical pattern from a chronological perspective. We can however assert that they could well be contemporary with or follow immediately on from the AVG issue because of the die linkage between the BONETAE coin above and the following coin. Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SEV PERT AVG II C, Laureate head right Rev:– BONETAE AVG (sic), Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left Minted in Emesa, 194 - 195 A.D. References:– RIC -. RSC -. BMC -. 3.16g, 18.53mm, 0o [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064gs_img.jpg[/IMG] This peculiar BONETAE die, which is an obvious mis-spelling of MONETAE would imply that a MONETAE SHOULD exist and I can confirm that it does ties to the same obverse die as immediately above. Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SE-V PERT AVG II C, laureate head right Rev:– MONETAE AVG, Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopia in left Minted in Emesa. A.D. 194 Reference:– RIC -, BMCRE -. RSC - [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064pb_img.jpg[/IMG] I suspect that this could be the MONETAE die found in RD or potentially this one. [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064ql_img.jpg[/IMG] It is generally believed that the next transitional issue is the COS I issue which is relatively large compared with those above. Obv:– IMP CAE L SEP SE. - V PERT AVG COS I, Laureate head right Rev:– MONET.A.E AVG, Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194 References:– BMC Page 90 (j), RIC Page 139 (7b) (Scarce), RSC 347c 2.53g, 17.61mm, 0o Shares the same obverse die as a coin in the Doug Smith collection with a different reverse die [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064gd_img.jpg[/IMG] The COS I issue is quite varied in bust style with the Long bust type being the most recognised. The following, with the same bust style is likely a MONET AVG as we see the reverse legend already shortening [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064nl_img.jpg[/IMG] A more COS II style COS I die with MONET . AVG [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064jl_img.jpg[/IMG] I have a few COS II RIC 411a examples (too many to share them all) [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064mp_img.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064mt_img.jpg[/IMG] This one is slightly unusual in that the M in MONET is split M-ONET as on the above coins and this one has a MONE-T break. Not of interest to most but interesting to me. [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064os_img.jpg[/IMG] Then we get into more "oddities" but then as has been mentioned before these are all a but odd but some are just more odd than others. One from the "Short Legend" COS II sub-collection Obv:– IMP CA L SE SEV PER AVG COS II, Laureate head right Rev:– MONET AVG, Moneta standing left, holding scales in right hand, cornucopiae in left Minted in Emesa, A.D. 194 References:– RIC -, RSC - [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064ts_img.jpg[/IMG] MONEI AVG (double die matched examples) [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064rn_img.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064im_img~0.JPG[/IMG] MONE AVG [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064uq_img.JPG[/IMG] MONTE AVG [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064ok_img.jpg[/IMG] SPE(sic) SEV in place of SEP SEV on the obverse [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064sf_img.jpg[/IMG] FORTVN REDVC but depicting Moneta..... [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_064pv_img.jpg[/IMG] And that's just Moneta standing from "Emesa" and only a small subset from my collection of these As [USER=19463]@dougsmit[/USER] mentioned... someone around here is obsessive about these coins...... I think it might be me....[/QUOTE]
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