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<p>[QUOTE="Burton Strauss III, post: 7871032, member: 59677"]What I find astonishing is the lack of knowledge about the sites and companies we interact with. Read the terms & conditions before you bid. Read ALL the T&C before you bid. There are no clean lines in this business. Everybody can and sometimes does do everything - for a fee.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some of the sites named above, e.g. ProxyBid, HiBid, SixBid, and the like are <b>auction aggregators</b>. </p><p><br /></p><p>They host the auction catalog, collect the bids and forward them to the <b>auction house</b>. For all of this, they get paid a fee. The aggregator never gets close to the goods, unless they also provide other fee-based services. The aggregator may vet bidders with the auction house before accepting bids. And probably only offers best efforts at actually delivering your bid.</p><p><br /></p><p>They may also host the actual auction platform when the auction is run. Or not. </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Auction houses</b> range from small to huge - Stacks Bowers, Heritage, Kagin's, Legend, Great Collections, DLRC, et al. The auction house solicits consignments from sellers, may buy and sell for their own account and may sell through other channels (e.g. Heritage runs big-ticket auctions, smaller internet auctions, sells coins on eBay, and also buys to resell on their own account).</p><p><br /></p><p>The auction house has the physical goods in its possession, at which point you need to have climate-controlled and secure premises. Security, Insurance, rent, power, water, etc. - all of this costs money. </p><p><br /></p><p>There's a reason Heritage moved out of the fancy office building to a suburban office park - they could get a lot more space, on a single floor, designed & built their needs. For lower monthly costs.</p><p><br /></p><p>The auction house sets the terms and fees (buyer's premium, seller's premium, Internet premium, foolish buyer tax, etc.)</p><p><br /></p><p>They may - check the T&C - provide shipping and handling. Or it may be local pick-up where they have a deal with the local UPS/DHL/xyz courier service to pick up, pack and ship the goods to the winner. For a fee, of course.</p><p><br /></p><p>The auction house actually receives the bids from the aggregators, from their own platforms if any, by mail, by phone, via email, etc. (or they may outsource this for a fee).</p><p><br /></p><p>The auction house might choose to list its auction on multiple auction platforms to increase visibility.</p><p><br /></p><p>So when you are browsing ProxyBid and find that John Deere tractor you simply can't live without, check the actual auction house. You may find that it's Richie Brothers's site in southern Washington, as-is, where-is. When you win the bid, you have three days to get your self and a truck with tow platorm over there...</p><p><br /></p><p>But also check the T&C, ProxyBid doesn't guarantee your bid will be made, they simply offer best efforts. And that's the secret - if it's important to you, make sure you are bidding with the auction house.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Burton Strauss III, post: 7871032, member: 59677"]What I find astonishing is the lack of knowledge about the sites and companies we interact with. Read the terms & conditions before you bid. Read ALL the T&C before you bid. There are no clean lines in this business. Everybody can and sometimes does do everything - for a fee. Some of the sites named above, e.g. ProxyBid, HiBid, SixBid, and the like are [B]auction aggregators[/B]. They host the auction catalog, collect the bids and forward them to the [B]auction house[/B]. For all of this, they get paid a fee. The aggregator never gets close to the goods, unless they also provide other fee-based services. The aggregator may vet bidders with the auction house before accepting bids. And probably only offers best efforts at actually delivering your bid. They may also host the actual auction platform when the auction is run. Or not. [B]Auction houses[/B] range from small to huge - Stacks Bowers, Heritage, Kagin's, Legend, Great Collections, DLRC, et al. The auction house solicits consignments from sellers, may buy and sell for their own account and may sell through other channels (e.g. Heritage runs big-ticket auctions, smaller internet auctions, sells coins on eBay, and also buys to resell on their own account). The auction house has the physical goods in its possession, at which point you need to have climate-controlled and secure premises. Security, Insurance, rent, power, water, etc. - all of this costs money. There's a reason Heritage moved out of the fancy office building to a suburban office park - they could get a lot more space, on a single floor, designed & built their needs. For lower monthly costs. The auction house sets the terms and fees (buyer's premium, seller's premium, Internet premium, foolish buyer tax, etc.) They may - check the T&C - provide shipping and handling. Or it may be local pick-up where they have a deal with the local UPS/DHL/xyz courier service to pick up, pack and ship the goods to the winner. For a fee, of course. The auction house actually receives the bids from the aggregators, from their own platforms if any, by mail, by phone, via email, etc. (or they may outsource this for a fee). The auction house might choose to list its auction on multiple auction platforms to increase visibility. So when you are browsing ProxyBid and find that John Deere tractor you simply can't live without, check the actual auction house. You may find that it's Richie Brothers's site in southern Washington, as-is, where-is. When you win the bid, you have three days to get your self and a truck with tow platorm over there... But also check the T&C, ProxyBid doesn't guarantee your bid will be made, they simply offer best efforts. And that's the secret - if it's important to you, make sure you are bidding with the auction house.[/QUOTE]
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