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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;kaparthy, post: 1011312, member: 57463&quot;]You are wrong.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>(1)&nbsp; <b>David Hall </b>is one example. Before the <b>Collectors Universe</b> buy-outs collapsed, Q. David Bowers of the old <b>Bowers and Merena </b>auctioned coins from PCGS, as why should they not?&nbsp; And you apparently do not know about the <b>Certified Coin Exchange</b>.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>(2) What is a so-called &quot;raw&quot; coin in a 2x2 or flip?&nbsp; When you get a coin, is it not authenticated, attributed, and graded by the seller?&nbsp; Do you not write such information in 2x2 and flip inserts yourself.&nbsp; I do.&nbsp; I try to add new information to every thing: mintage, Yeoman (Craig) or Pick numbers, etc., if nothing else, the name of the last seller (ex: Jones, MSNS, 4/10) and I code the price, as well.&nbsp; <b>We are all &quot;self-slabbers.&quot;</b></p><p><br /></p><p>(3) Top-tier graders are infamous for upping the score on submissions.&nbsp; Crack-outs are profitable.&nbsp; We all know that.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>(3a)&nbsp; Perhaps the most egregious example is the Reed Hawn (Mickley-Hawn-Queller) 1804 Dollar which went from Very Fine to Proof 62.&nbsp; Note that Proof is not a grade.&nbsp; A proof coin is <b>a different kind of coin</b>, based on die characteristics, planchet preparation, etc.&nbsp; So, this did not increment a few grades, it changed from business strike to proof.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>(4) Everyone knows that you do not buy the holder, you buy the coin.&nbsp; (And you do that only after you buy the book.)&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>If you wish to rail against third party graders -- and now we have fourth party grading of grading -- fine.&nbsp; However, that means that you would <b>never ask anyone else for any opinion</b> on anything else, as refering to any expert or authority is &quot;third party knowledge.&quot;[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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