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<p>[QUOTE="treylxapi47, post: 2030803, member: 41863"]But the one piece of all of this, and this is what I am hinging on is that WE, collectively, are the employees of this very idea of a government. That idea has NO power without us the people who have faith in the system. So with that being said, for inquiring minds, and as tax paying members of this society I feel we should have EVERY right to know what our government spends money on, where it goes, who touches, who makes it, who profits from it, and a say so in exactly how it gets spent.</p><p><br /></p><p>We the people made the government, not the other way around, and I am sorry, I just believe that if there is a question I want to know about my government, then I have the absolute RIGHT to know. And not some fudged up answer, but the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help them god. I dont expect the information to be simply placed on a completely open source, but for those seeking this type of information, it should be as easy as asking and it being provided, completely broke down, line by line.</p><p><br /></p><p>How can I hold some one accountable if I dont even know what all they are doing? And in the same vein, how can I be taxed, and have no representation of the facts I am seeking to allow for my being taxed for something I know nothing about? I dont feel adequately represented when I cant even see the full scope of what is supposed to be representing me.</p><p><br /></p><p>In other words, we built this country on the idea of being able to know and have a part in our government, not being milked of all of our money without having a say in how its spent, where it goes, and who it benefits.</p><p><br /></p><p>With collecting coins, I first learned about the term seigniorage, and ever since I have had this gnawing thought of where is all the money. Especially after 1964 and silver was pulled. At that moment, it cost significantly less to mint our coins, and at it also completely changed how much profit was in coinage. They chose two cheap materials, copper and nickel. Both were cheap enough to make our smallest coinage, and then all we did was add the two together to make our 4 larger denominations. <span style="color: #ff0000">edited</span>? That has to be an exponential amount of profit hidden in that number. We are talking BILLIONS of coins minted from 1964 to the present. Magnitudes above what was made prior to that date from the inception of our coinage. The thing with our coins in our early history is that people demanded the actual coins act as a value for the face number printed on it. In other words a gold dollar in 1850 had a dollars worth of gold in it. Now we have a few cents in our higher denominations. They have no value now, and someone has found the secret to capturing that value that was there before. We have faith in an 'idea' while someone else is capturing the true profit from how we make money and it gets transferred to the governments coffers.</p><p><br /></p><p>All of that is just in coins, I cant see how we are broke when the same principle should apply to every single dollar printed as well.</p><p><br /></p><p>I understand that government spends more than it has, so some one should be holding this system accountable and figuring out where all the money is going, of its correct, and who is profiting from any of this. Although, you just told me it would be impossible to even find this information.</p><p><br /></p><p>So how do you stop the bleeding of this country's finances?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="treylxapi47, post: 2030803, member: 41863"]But the one piece of all of this, and this is what I am hinging on is that WE, collectively, are the employees of this very idea of a government. That idea has NO power without us the people who have faith in the system. So with that being said, for inquiring minds, and as tax paying members of this society I feel we should have EVERY right to know what our government spends money on, where it goes, who touches, who makes it, who profits from it, and a say so in exactly how it gets spent. We the people made the government, not the other way around, and I am sorry, I just believe that if there is a question I want to know about my government, then I have the absolute RIGHT to know. And not some fudged up answer, but the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help them god. I dont expect the information to be simply placed on a completely open source, but for those seeking this type of information, it should be as easy as asking and it being provided, completely broke down, line by line. How can I hold some one accountable if I dont even know what all they are doing? And in the same vein, how can I be taxed, and have no representation of the facts I am seeking to allow for my being taxed for something I know nothing about? I dont feel adequately represented when I cant even see the full scope of what is supposed to be representing me. In other words, we built this country on the idea of being able to know and have a part in our government, not being milked of all of our money without having a say in how its spent, where it goes, and who it benefits. With collecting coins, I first learned about the term seigniorage, and ever since I have had this gnawing thought of where is all the money. Especially after 1964 and silver was pulled. At that moment, it cost significantly less to mint our coins, and at it also completely changed how much profit was in coinage. They chose two cheap materials, copper and nickel. Both were cheap enough to make our smallest coinage, and then all we did was add the two together to make our 4 larger denominations. [COLOR=#ff0000]edited[/COLOR]? That has to be an exponential amount of profit hidden in that number. We are talking BILLIONS of coins minted from 1964 to the present. Magnitudes above what was made prior to that date from the inception of our coinage. The thing with our coins in our early history is that people demanded the actual coins act as a value for the face number printed on it. In other words a gold dollar in 1850 had a dollars worth of gold in it. Now we have a few cents in our higher denominations. They have no value now, and someone has found the secret to capturing that value that was there before. We have faith in an 'idea' while someone else is capturing the true profit from how we make money and it gets transferred to the governments coffers. All of that is just in coins, I cant see how we are broke when the same principle should apply to every single dollar printed as well. I understand that government spends more than it has, so some one should be holding this system accountable and figuring out where all the money is going, of its correct, and who is profiting from any of this. Although, you just told me it would be impossible to even find this information. So how do you stop the bleeding of this country's finances?[/QUOTE]
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