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<p>[QUOTE="Burton Strauss III, post: 2443834, member: 59677"]Actually, the guarantee in it's present form was first captured in May 2013, for</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130503021950/http://www.segsgrading.com/Content/Guarantee" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://web.archive.org/web/20130503021950/http://www.segsgrading.com/Content/Guarantee" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20130503021950/http://www.segsgrading.com/Content/Guarantee</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Prior to that the words are the same, but the website layout differed - AND it was <b>SEGS, Inc.</b></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111223104554/http://www.segsgrading.com/guarantee.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111223104554/http://www.segsgrading.com/guarantee.html" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20111223104554/http://www.segsgrading.com/guarantee.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>If you go back to 2007, it was S<b>overeign </b>E<b>ntities </b>G<b>rading </b>S<b>ervice </b> I<b>nc</b>.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com/" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The website transition between Sovereign Entities and SEGS happened between 19Dec2007 and 18Jan2008.</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com/" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com/</a></p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080118223044/http://www.segsgrading.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://web.archive.org/web/20080118223044/http://www.segsgrading.com/" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20080118223044/http://www.segsgrading.com/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The point of this is that there is arguably clear information that the organization that graded the coin in 2007 is not the organization now in business. IF you go looking.</p><p><br /></p><p>Whether that's sufficient for the courts is an interesting concept. But it won't ever get that far, because $1,000 isn't enough $ to hire a lawyer, let along file a lawsuit.</p><p><br /></p><p>Unless Ambulance Chasers, LLC wants to make it a class action... maybe the loons who "won" the silver round case might want a piece of this one too???</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>While I'm skulking, the "so innovative it's protected by a patent" is <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/USD423757" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.google.com/patents/USD423757" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents/USD423757</a>, which is a DESIGN patent. These are much weaker - <a href="http://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting-started/patent-basics/types-patent-applications/design-patent-application-guide#differ" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting-started/patent-basics/types-patent-applications/design-patent-application-guide#differ" rel="nofollow">http://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting-started/patent-basics/types-patent-applications/design-patent-application-guide#differ</a>:</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><b>The Difference Between Design and Utility Patents</b></p><p>In general terms, a "utility patent" protects the way an article is used and works (35 U.S.C. 101), while a "design patent" protects the way an article looks (35 U.S.C. 171). Both design and utility patents may be obtained on an article if invention resides both in its utility and ornamental appearance. While utility and design patents afford legally separate protection, the utility and ornamentality of an article are not easily separable. Articles of manufacture may possess both functional and ornamental characteristics.</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>(FYI - Bonus points for following the utility patent referenced - <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/US8661889" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.google.com/patents/US8661889" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/patents/US8661889</a> - and explaining what it protects)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Burton Strauss III, post: 2443834, member: 59677"]Actually, the guarantee in it's present form was first captured in May 2013, for [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20130503021950/http://www.segsgrading.com/Content/Guarantee[/url] Prior to that the words are the same, but the website layout differed - AND it was [B]SEGS, Inc.[/B] [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20111223104554/http://www.segsgrading.com/guarantee.html[/url] If you go back to 2007, it was S[B]overeign [/B]E[B]ntities [/B]G[B]rading [/B]S[B]ervice [/B] I[B]nc[/B]. [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com/[/url] The website transition between Sovereign Entities and SEGS happened between 19Dec2007 and 18Jan2008. [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20071219121923/http://www.segsgrading.com/[/url] [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20080118223044/http://www.segsgrading.com/[/url] The point of this is that there is arguably clear information that the organization that graded the coin in 2007 is not the organization now in business. IF you go looking. Whether that's sufficient for the courts is an interesting concept. But it won't ever get that far, because $1,000 isn't enough $ to hire a lawyer, let along file a lawsuit. Unless Ambulance Chasers, LLC wants to make it a class action... maybe the loons who "won" the silver round case might want a piece of this one too??? While I'm skulking, the "so innovative it's protected by a patent" is [url]http://www.google.com/patents/USD423757[/url], which is a DESIGN patent. These are much weaker - [url]http://www.uspto.gov/patents-getting-started/patent-basics/types-patent-applications/design-patent-application-guide#differ[/url]: [INDENT][B]The Difference Between Design and Utility Patents[/B] In general terms, a "utility patent" protects the way an article is used and works (35 U.S.C. 101), while a "design patent" protects the way an article looks (35 U.S.C. 171). Both design and utility patents may be obtained on an article if invention resides both in its utility and ornamental appearance. While utility and design patents afford legally separate protection, the utility and ornamentality of an article are not easily separable. Articles of manufacture may possess both functional and ornamental characteristics.[/INDENT] (FYI - Bonus points for following the utility patent referenced - [url]http://www.google.com/patents/US8661889[/url] - and explaining what it protects)[/QUOTE]
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