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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;MIGuy, post: 16589620, member: 116145&quot;]I am curious as to whether any of you think that this SEGS grade holds water.&nbsp; I don&#039;t have experience with SEGS and rely on my eyesight (preferably with magnification) and, to some degree, PCGS, NGC, ICG and ANACS if I&#039;m buying online, though I&#039;ve seen under and overgraded examples in all of their slabs.&nbsp; I’m thinking it is Fine but probably won’t grade straight, though I’m not clear on the rules with some of these early Colonial Coppers, they do seem to be more lenient and these were widely known as having poor strikes.&nbsp; I’m excited to add this to my low grade Colonial Copper collection – and the portrait of Washington looking like King George and Lady Liberty in the 13 (colonies) barred cage amuses me.</p><p><br /></p><p>(Info from coins.nd.edu) The &quot;Georgius Triumpho&quot; is the only Washington token bearing the date of 1783 that is actually known to have circulated during the Confederation period. All other Washington tokens bearing the 1783 date, which is the date of the Treaty of Paris ending the Revolutionary War, are now known to be commemorative tokens produced during the Nineteenth century. An early date of manufacture is confirmed for the &quot;TRIUMPHO&quot; since at least one of these pieces was used as a planchet by Matthias Ogden at his Elizabethtown, New Jersey, mint and overstruck as New Jersey coppers.&nbsp; The obverse of the Triumphant George copper shows a laurel wreathed Washington in the style of the King George III Irish halfpenny (without the shoulders and mail armor) with the legend &quot;GEORGIVS TRIUMPHO&quot; (Triumphant George). The imitation of the George III obverse is so close that at first glance it is not evident which George is referred to, either Washington or George the King of England!</p><p><br /></p><p>The reverse of the copper also imitates the British halfpenny but less closely. It depicts a female figure taken to represent Liberty but is in a style quite similar to Britannia. Like Britannia the figure holds an olive branch in her outstretched right hand and holds a staff in her left hand. To be identified with Britannia the staff should be a trident, while for Liberty it would have been more appropriate to have included a liberty cap on top of the staff. Unlike Britannia, the figure is not seated but stands behind a gate consisting of thirteen columns with a fleur de lys in each corner. This obviously symbolizes the thirteen united colonies with the fleur de lys representing the French financial aid and support that helped to bring victory. The legend on the reverse is &quot;VOCE POPOLI&quot; which is actually the Italian rather than the Latin (populi) for &quot;By the voice of the people&quot; with the date 1783 in exergue.</p><p><br /></p><p>Mike Ringo has observed the &quot;TRIUMPHO&quot; token shares some letter and number punches with the 1783 Constellatio Nova token, Crosby 1-A. This is the variety of Constellatio Nova that is considered to be by a different diemaker than the other varieties (but from the same mint). Also, as Newman has recently discussed, it is most probably these 1783 Constellation Nova coppers were produced in 1785.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1534741[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1534742[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1534743[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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