Seeking Advice: Selling Inherited US, World Coins, Proof Sets, & Paper Money

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  1. Gins_Coins

    Gins_Coins New Member

    Hello Everyone,

    Seeking your advice to maximize sale of Mom's coin collection, thanks.

    Background: Dad died 20+years ago and Mom died in Sept 2016. I inherited Mom's coin collection (about 50 LBS of coins) and have spent the past year sorting, inventorying, putting the loose coins into coin holders and labeling Mom's coin collection getting it ready for sale.

    The collection of mostly circulated coins is comprised of loose coins, coin sets (proofs), paper currency, coin tokens and commemoratives.

    The loose coins (586 different denominations in various quantities) from the U.S. and World Coins run 1771 German States Prussia Thaller to 2002 Canadian Queen Elizabeth II Commemorative Golden Jubilee. Roughly 15% are uncirculated and 85% are circulated. 4% are 1800 vintage. 95% are 1900 vintage. Of the 1900 vintage, 7% are pre-WW1; 16% are pre-WW2; 14% are WW2 and the remainder are post WW2. Approximately 25% of the loose coins are 40-100% silver.

    The 41 coins sets (proofs) - all uncirculated - are US, Canada, Finland, and Norway minted 1954-1994. Most were minted in San Francisco and the others in Philadelphia and Denver. All are in their original Mint container/sleeve/case/ with the mint documentation. One group of the proof sets run consecutive from 1981-1988 with the exception of 1987.

    The Paper Currency is from across the globe. 100 different bills from Asia, Africa, Europe; South, Central, and North America. 20% is Pre to WW1; 30% is WW2 including Japanese/US Currency from the "rebuilding years" following the end of WW2 and includes some US Military Script.

    The Tokens and Commemorative Coins are everything from 1920/1930 NYC Transit Authority Tokens to State Commemorative Token/Coins to 1892 Columbian Half Dollar.

    I frequently accompanied Mom to coin shows/sales when I was little. During the past year the sorting/inventorying of the coins has been a labor of love; however, coins aren't really "my thing" and I'd prefer the coins be sold to folks who find the same joy and interest that held mom's rapt attention.

    I live in Huntsville, Alabama and have researched the coins shops in the immediate area through online research and visits at each store but was disappointed by the conditions of the three stores. I am willing to travel to Atlanta, GA; Nashville, TN; or B'Ham, AL, if needed.

    Bottom line, I would appreciate advice centered on:

    1. How to find a reputable coin shop?

    2. If I receive an offer, how do I determine its a fair offer?

    3. Is there a best-way to group coins for sale? I.E., by Country; years minted; precious metal content; type or denomination of coin?

    4. Anything else I should be aware of?


    Bottom line, even though Mom isn't alive to reap the benefits of her coin collection, I would like it to be sold for a fair/just amount. Thank you and I sincerely appreciate your time, assistance, and replies.
     
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  3. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    That is a wonderful gift you have inherited. You do need to build a trust with a local and reputable dealer. Hopefully somebody here will know somebody in your area. I would like to encourage you to get an independent appraisal done. Tell the dealer you need the appraisal for insurance purposes. It's very common and reputable dealers will do this for a fee. But also understand that appraisal will be on the high end and a bit higher than what you should expect when selling. The other advantage to doing this is that a reputable dealer will recognize if your mother might have a few higher valued pieces in that collection. And perhaps you may want to glean one or two prize pieces in remembrance of her. Good luck!
     
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  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Please accept my condolences for your loss.

    All too often, people who have inherited collections like you have want to try to get the most they can from the sale. The problem as I see it is that the collection you've inherited is quite varied which means that it could take some time to sell everything. Why don't you just tell the dealers in your area that you will be taking the best offer and leave it at that. Then maybe they will try to be a little more competitive in their offers. Please keep in mind that you paid nothing for this collection!

    Chris
     
  5. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I have an ex-wife in Huntsville, AL. She's the one I still like. There is or was a good dealer in one of those strip malls on the main north-south drag - the one with the humps at the intersections, east side of Redstone Arsenal. If you'd like, I can ask her if he's still around.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Two ways really, you can ask for references from the members here about any dealers they may know in your area. Or, you can try this -
    https://www.money.org/find-a-dealer

    That's a link that allows you to find an ANA dealer in your area. ANA dealers are required to follow a certain code of ethics. But that's no guarantee that they will of course.

    Basically you can't. Doing so would require you to have a great deal of knowledge to start with, and your being able to grade each coin accurately and correctly. You pretty much have to trust the dealers.

    Not really. In cases like yours it is usually best to offer them the collection as an all or nothing deal.

    Probably only this, people in general, and this includes even those who often consider themselves advanced collectors, seem to think that the value of their coins is higher than it really is. In other words, when they go to sell they expect prices in the full retail range for each individual coin. Sadly for them, that just isn't realistic. The true value of any coin is what a knowledgeable person, stress knowledgeable person, will pay you for that coin at any given moment. And I say any given moment because the value of coins can go up and down like a yo-yo, and does so on a regular basis, sometimes even daily basis.

    In the end, the true value of any coin in any grade is typically determined by the electronic dealer markets. There are several of them and most dealers use either one or another and some more than one. Basically what it amounts to is that all coins are being offered for sale at x price, this is called the Ask, and other dealers are offering to buy them for x price, this is called the Bid. And of course the Bid is slightly lower than the Ask. Simply put it's the same way all markets work.

    What the average collector doesn't get or understand is that these Bid and Ask numbers are usually a good bit below full retail. And when I say a good bit I'm talking like anywhere from 20-50%. A big part of this is because the retail market usually lags far behind the dealer markets.

    And you also have to remember that when a dealer makes an offer there is the buy sell spread to consider. In other words the dealer has to make a profit in order to stay in business so of course he offers to buy for a percentage less than he will offer to sell. This percentage will vary from coin to coin and dealer to dealer. But the better dealers will usually offer to buy anywhere from 10-20% below what the current market price happens to be at the time.

    So, the scenario often goes something like this. A collector takes his coins to a dealer and ask the dealer to make an offer. The dealer does, and the collector looks at him and either laughs or gets mad at him and says something like - these coins are worth much more than that ! The collector thinks this because he usually paid more than that, so he thinks the dealer is trying to rip him off. And the collector also thinks that coins should be valued at what each individual one could be sold for, one at a time, in the retail market. Well, the collector can do that if he wants to, but if the collection has any size to it doing so will probably takes him years. And by time he pays all the fees he has to pay to sell the coins that way, and accounts for all his time and work, he will end getting about the same amount, and maybe less, than if he had just sold the whole collection to the dealer to begin with. But, the collector doesn't think about this - all he can think about is that the dealer is trying to rip him off.

    The sad part is most of the time the dealer is making him a fair offer - and the collector doesn't even know it. Bottom line, probably 95% of all collectors lose money when they sell their collections. People tend to see collecting coins as some great investment opportunity - but it isn't. Coin collecting is one of the worst investments there is !

    None of this probably what you wanted to hear but there it is.
     
  7. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I might suggest separating all foreign coins into regions; Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Asia, South America, etc. Some guys like to specialize in regions, and it may help.

    My own son is an Eastern Europe specialist. Also, US military scrip has been hot lately, in exhibits, if not the market.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Another way to think about this and realize the truth of what I am saying is to think about cars. Everybody has one, and everybody has to buy and sell one from time to time. So say you are getting ready to sell your car, so you go look up the Blue Book value. It tells you your car is worth X dollars, let's say $21,000. Now you can try and trade it in,or you can try and sell it to one of those places that buy cars - there's lots of them to pick from. So you decide to sell it, you go to one of those of those places. The guy comes out, looks at your car, says this is really nice, got low mileage, I'll give you $13,000 for it.

    About that time your jaw drops open, you stutter a bit and then say - I just looked it up, Blue Book is $21,000 - you trying to rip me off ?????

    But he's not, he's making you a fair offer. Trouble is, you don't know it. All you know is what the Blue Book says it's worth. Well, it is worth that much, if you can find some private individual who is willing to pay you that much. But odds are you won't because people buying used cars won't do that either. They might offer you 15 to 17, but no way they are going pay you 21.

    Coin market works the same basic way - just like every other market in the world.
     
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  9. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    Most of what you mention sounds like common material that is very hard for a dealers such as myself to find a home for and requires much time and effort and expense to sell.

    Material that is common and not very liquid brings very low prices.

    If you have any items that are rare and in demand you can expect higher prices for them.

    Another option is to put them in a local coin auction and let the market determine the value. Sometimes this works fine and other times it can be a disappointment.
     
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  10. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    Last year I helped an elderly friend sell he late mothers collection. She had both US and foreign coins. She had multiple US mint and proof sets from 1968-2004. She also had many foreign proof sets and proof coins as well as many dimes, quarters and halves. It took me the better part of a week organizing her coins before taking them to a dealer friend. It really helps speed up the process for a dealer.

    Basically, I organized everything by type and whether the coins were US or foreign. Mint and proof sets are generally worth considerably less than what the mint sells them for. There are a few exceptions: the 1970 mint set is worth more because no halves were made for circulation and can only be found in mint sets; the 1996 mint set brings a premium because of the extra West Point dime.

    Anything containing silver or gold should be separated since they bring more for their bullion value. This goes for both US and foreign coins. If their are any older coins you may want to check their values in US and foreign coin reference books. This all depends on how much time you're willing to spend sorting through everything.

    The collection I helped sell had several mint state large cents and gold coins. I set those aside and sent them to NGC for attribution and grading. The coins were then sent to one of the major online certified coin auctions where they sold. The dealer would have paid her half or less for the raw coins so the cost/effort of certification ended up being worthwhile for her.
     
  11. Ron W

    Ron W Member

    Find a Coin Club, if you can of course. There are a lot of very talented people that may or may not be dealers and can give you a estimated value of your collection.
    Go on line if you can, to get an idea of values. EBAY (Sold Items)normally is higher but will give some est's.
    Already mentioned above is to sort all variety's , makes it easier to sell that way.
     
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  12. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    Welcome aboard - sorry for your loss - hope you find a good home for your inherited collection.
    1.) CoinZip for dealers and clubs : http://coinzip.com/coinDealers.php?state=AL
    2.) Blue Book for fair offer guidelines : https://www.amazon.com/Handbook-United-States-Coins-2018/dp/079484510X
    3.) Robert Minichino for preparing your coins for appraisal : http://www.centraljerseyrarecoins.c...organize-my-circulated-silver-coins-for-sale/
    4.) Don't rush it - do some research, get multiple offers, sell well :shame:
    http://worldcoingallery.com/index.php (good for foreign coins)
     
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  13. frech001

    frech001 New but Old

    Four years ago I purchased an inherited collection from a co-worker that sounds much like yours - over 7000 items. He tried to sell it to a couple of coin dealers but couldn't find any interested as the coins were not organized or cataloged. I offered to help him estimate their value. I purchased digital versions of Krause Standard Catalog of World coins and researched the tokens on-line at tokencatalog.com. I created an Excel spread sheet, listing each coin, with a column for silver content and value with estimated grade as listed in Krause. If you choose to sell the coins to a dealer it will help to know the potential value. I gave the spreadsheet to my coworker and offered to buy the coins or sell them on eBay for a commission. He decided to take the cash offer.

    I'm realizing about 1/4 book value before eBay & PayPal fees. Unfortunately the bulk of the coins are valued at less than postage costs. I sold the more valuable ones first, recognizing that collecting coins as a hobby does not seem to be growing.

    Plan on spending about an hour per coin to identify, grade, photograph and list, (re-list), package and mail. You'll need to report the income for tax purposes. Or you can find a retired collector in your community who would do what I did and help you out. Alternatively, enjoy researching them yourself and start selling them on eBay, (50 free listings per month without a subscription) and learn as you go. You will gain an appreciation for coin collecting, learn world geography and history. I only sell within the U.S. to avoid shipping costs and complications.
     
  14. RickO

    RickO Active Member

    You have already done a lot of work.... and, sadly, there is much more to be done. Unless you do a bulk sale. Yes, selling the coins individually, maybe getting some graded, will probably make a bit more profit...however, the investment in time will be prodigious. Most of what you have will be considered extraneous material and dealers really do not want it... they will offer very little since such inventory takes up space and moves slowly if at all. If you do not intend to keep it and collect yourself, shop it around and take the best offer... you will likely find most offers are close in value... some will try to lowball you. There is always the Buy, Sell,Trade forum on Collectors Universe if you want to sell piecemeal... at least there are no fees there.
     
  15. Gins_Coins

    Gins_Coins New Member

    Good Evening Everyone! Sincerely wanted to thank each of you for taking the time to share your candid insights, detailed responses, and links to additional reference material. Your responses have helped me to validate the best path forward. Best regards!
     
  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    One other thing to keep in mind about dealers. They may not need everything that walks in the door. If he already has a safe full or has few buyers, he may not offer much. He may not even want to make an offer.
     
  17. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Take the time to pick out a small # of pieces - maybe ones you remember your Mom buying with you and set them aside as momentoes.
     
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  18. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    When someone brings me a large collection or hoard containing mostly "Glorp", items that either can't be sold or are extremely difficult to sell and then picks out the few pieces that I may make enough profit on to cover my time and overhead, I usually pass on the whole deal.
     
  19. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Which is why I suggested doing it now, and doing it based on memories not value.
     
  20. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Yup, this is the eternal problem. The hobby is afflicted with a version of the 90/10 problem, but in our case, it's the 99/1 problem. 99% of most collections is pure unadulterated garbage, and only 1% of it makes the whole deal interesting to a dealer. What is the 1%? That's easy - the stuff nearly no one has, that everyone wants, probably including the seller to keep for himself.

    That is precisely why my region of the country is so awash in public auctions full of coins of dead people - dealers' buy/sell spread theoretically gets stripped out of the pricing. The prices get set by the remaining alive buying collectors, and NOT the need to pay for a dealer's overhead - a percentage that seems to do nothing but grow over the decades. Auction house's "vig" is still FAAAAR below the spread that coin dealers feel they need.
     
  21. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I've always wondered what dealers do with all of that excess junk when they buy large collections.
     
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