Seattlite's Top 10 of 2019 German States

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Seattlite86, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Here are the top German States coins I've purchased in 2019. Feel free to pile on any German States coinage you picked up in 2019, or ones that you are reminded of when you look at my coins. :)

    1. 1614 Doppeltaler, Teutonic Order, Hall, 58.20g. This one is a big purchase in all sense of it. I sought out and purchased this coin raw from MA-Shops and submitted it to NGC. It came back AU-53, which feels just fine and looks better then many other higher graded coins I've seen.
    1614 Doppeltaler.jpg

    2. 1866 Groschen, Hannover, NGC MS67+. This is my highest graded German States coinage (and also my highest graded coin intended for circulation). I picked this one up on eBay and bid on it before going to bed in Germany, because it ended in the middle of the night. I picked it up for less than my bid and am very happy with how it looks in hand.
    Hannover 1 Groschen 1866 a-horz.jpg

    3. 1559-1623 (no date) 2 Kreuzer Strasbourg, PCGS VF35. Admittedly, I did not purchase this, it was gifted to me, but it had been on my watch list, waiting for my hobby funds to open up. I have been to Strasbourg several times and highly recommend the city and the castle about an hour south of the city (Haut Koenigsburg). Strasbourg is the capital of the beautiful Alsace region, with amazing food and views. I couldn't be more pleased to have this coin in my collection (thanks @micbraun !!!)
    Strassbourg 2 K.jpg

    4. 1708 3 Petermenger, Trier, NGC VF30, eBay purchase. This coin stuck out to me because of its unique denomination. In this era, the inhabitants of Trier were very religious and used Petermenger instead of Pfennig as their "penny" value. The photos don't do it justice, but they're the best I have at the moment.
    Trier 1708 3 Petermenger obv-horz.jpg

    5. 1712 1/2 Kreuzer, Hall. I found this coin at the Baltimore Whitman Show, and despite already being over budget, I couldn't leave without it. The detail on this little coin (14mm) is incredible. I might have to pick up the pfennig, which is actually only 13mm.

    6. 1624 2 Kreuzer, Bavaria, PCGS MS64. I picked this coin up from eBay due to the beautiful toning it displayed. The PCGS glamor shot really brings it out.
    1624 2 Kreuzer Bavaria 35989854.jpg

    7. 1678 1 Kreuzer, Nurnberg. Another Baltimore purchase and a nice addition to an unintentionally growing collection of UNC Greman states coins. The price was right, so I picked it up.

    8. 1817 Brodmarke, Elberfeld Korn Verein, ebay purchase. This is actually a token, but has a very unique history to it. I'm working on an article explaining its significance, so don't spoil it! I could've bought a better example, but I liked the off-center strike.
    Elberfeld Brod Token 2-horz.jpg

    9. 1766 1 Heller, Anhalt-Zerbst, ebay purchase. At 17mm, this coin is about the size of a dime. I have not yet thoroughly researched this region, but the coin stood out to me.
    Anhalt Zerbst-horz.jpg

    10. 1739 1/12 Thaler, Reuss-Ebersdorf. Last, but certainly not least. The lighting/color is a little darker in hand. I found the obverse so unique and interesting that I just couldn't let this go, despite concerns that it had been cleaned. Even if it has, I am very happy with this addition to my collection.
    Reuss Ebersdorf.jpg
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  3. Robidoux Pass

    Robidoux Pass Active Member

    Beautiful array. And I enjoy reading your rationals for the purchase decision. We all have our own thought process we go through when we decide to obtain a coin.
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  4. wcg

    wcg Well-Known Member

    Nice additions @Seattlite86! The Trier piece in particular speaks to me. I recall seeing that one on eBay and thought about it myself.

    A couple of german states medals and a 1/8 taler added this year:

    Bamberg - 1746 medal
    Munster - 1648 medal
    Passau - 1/8 taler

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  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky Supporter

    Awesome coins. #1 was my favorite.
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  6. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

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  7. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    Coin #1 is also referred to as a teutonic 2 thaler right? I love it!
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  8. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Doppeltaler = 2 Thaler

    see Wikipedia

    30 Taler = 52½ Gulden = 1 pound (Pfund)
    2 Taler = 3½ Gulden = 6 Mark
    1 Taler = 3 Mark
    1 Gulden = 1,71 Mark

    I like the last one... 1.71 lol keep it simple :)
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2019
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  9. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Very nice, Brandon! I like them all, well chosen and balanced.

    Collecting German States will give you a lot of joy and satisfaction, as you already have found out.

    Have you decided to focus on a specific era? for example, 1600-1700's or ca 1750's-1873 (like I do), or a specific geographic area? or a specific theme (city views, for example?).

    (I found many years ago that focusing is important as the scope of German numismatics is 'bewilderingly' large...)

    Since I live in Hessen, I will pile-on with some from Hessen, Frankfurt and Nassau.

    Frankfurt Taler 1857 Eschersheimer Turm - ex Gorny 2011 - 1.jpg
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  10. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    This humble (and to be honest, not so pretty) 3 Kreuzer from Nassau is my most significant addition for 2019.

    Why? it is the scarcest coin in the series, an absolute rarity and only the second example of this year to have appeared at auction in the last 50 years.

    Nassau 3 Kreuzer 1816 - original peus bild   .jpg
  11. trussell

    trussell Active Member

    Here we go again.
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  12. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    I will get around to my top 10 in the next couple of weeks. I'm not sure if this one will be #1 but it will be in the running.


    Obverse: The Annunciation
    Reverse: The Nativity

    Note: Ref. G#1586. Prev. KM#F85.

    Composition: Silver
    Diameter: 59mm
    Weight: 56.5gm
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  13. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I'm glad you enjoyed reading my rationale. It is fun to see what people purchase and why. I've realized that I get more enjoyment out of the circulated coins than the UNC ones. I need to do better about not letting those beauties distract me, especially since they come with a much higher price tag!

    Thank you for not bidding against me! your medals are absolutely stunning. If I had a significantly large budget, I would definitely look for some of these to add to my collection. I also really like that 1/8 Taler :)

    Unfortunately, the only amount I've been able to narrow down my focus of German States coinage is pre 1871... I don't have enough knowledge or discipline to narrow it down further. I'd really like to get one per German State, but I've already purchased a couple from Hall because I liked the designs, so let's just call that a work in progress. I'm a big fan of your Frankfurt coinage and love seeing rarities :)

    That's a beautiful #1. I look forward to seeing your other 9!
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  14. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Bishopric of Bamburg Georg III Schenk von Limpurg Pfennig 1512

    Unimpressive uniface coin in only VF but not easy to find anything issued by this bishop. The arms are Bamberg (diagonal bar over lion rampant r. ) and Limpurg (3 maces)

    Bamberg Bishop Georg III Schenk v Lipburg Uniface Pfennig 1512 619.jpg
  15. coin_nut

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    1821 German States 1 heller 1821 DE-GS 1 h obv.JPG 1821 DE-GS 1 h rev.JPG
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  16. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

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  17. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Very nice German States Seattlite! They are my main collecting focus.
    Thanks for sharing!
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  18. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I have a greater appreciation for uniface coins than I used to. Thanks for sharing yours.

    I meant to ask you if this coin was rotated? I think this might explain the weakness of the reverse.

    For once, I'm grateful our collecting budgets are on two very different levels. I still get to see coins I could never afford, but don't have the competition in my purchases. ;)
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  19. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    I like countermarks. In March 1693, during the so called "second Kipperzeit', when Cologne was being flooded with debased coinage, the city magistrates countermarked good silver gulden with this COLN monogram c/m to increase their value. Here is one I acquired this year:

    City of EMDEN Gulden (2/3 Taler) 1688 with Cologne c/m

    Koln coln cm on Emden Gulden 1688 obv 207.jpg Koln coln cm on Emden Gulden 1688 rev 210.jpg
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