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<p>[QUOTE="kirispupis, post: 8089529, member: 118780"]From the lack of replies, I gather there's not a lot of interest, but I read through the first Ehrhard article above, as well as <a href="https://www.academia.edu/2006533/A_contribution_to_Cassanders_bronze_coinage" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/2006533/A_contribution_to_Cassanders_bronze_coinage" rel="nofollow">this</a> one, and I have a theory.</p><p><br /></p><p>First of all, I learned that Kassander's wife Thessalonica (also Alexander III's sister) divided Macedonia between Alexander V and Antipater I. The kingdom was originally taken by Philip IV, but he died after 4 months. He <i>does</i> appear to have minted coins in his own name though.</p><p><br /></p><p>After the king was divided, Antipater went after Alexander V, who was forced to request help from Pyrrhos and Demetrios. Pyrrhos arrived first and chased Antipater, along with his wife Eurydike, back to Eurydike's father Lysimachos. Demetrios then arrived late and killed Alexander V. Antipater I was later executed by Lysimachos.</p><p><br /></p><p>That's the history. The following are some numismatic facts.</p><ol> <li>There's no known coin with Antipater's name on it. Maybe Alexander V minted coins with his name, and it would be difficult for us to know for sure because four other Alexanders minted similar ones.</li> <li>The Valassiadis article above strongly believes the Kassander Apollo/tripod and horse/rider coins were issued roughly at the same time from different mints.</li> <li>Those Kassander coins marked "basileus" could not have been minted before 305 BCE, when Kassander declared himself king. It's unknown when he started minting coins in general, but 311 BCE is thought to be the most likely.</li> <li>There are far more variants of coins issued with "basileus" than without.</li> </ol><p>My theory is therefore the following:</p><ol> <li>Kassander coinage didn't stop minting on his death in 298 BCE.</li> <li>Neither Antipater I nor Alexander V minted coins in their own names. They both continued issues from their father, one issuing Apollo/tripods and the other horse/riders.</li> </ol><p>Unfortunately, even if this theory is true, it leaves open the following questions:</p><ol> <li>Who took which mint? In other words, who took which part of Macedonia? I suspect this information is out there somewhere.</li> <li>Which mint marks are theirs? I'm not sure if there is a way to determine this. It would require at the minimum die matching and enough samples to put them in order. From reading, there aren't many hoards to help here.</li> </ol><p>Does anyone here think this theory is likely? Is there some current scholar on Macedonian bronze coinage that I could email to see how plausible it is? </p><p><br /></p><p>If this may be true, then I already have an Apollo/tripod coin (above). I would just need a horse/rider and lion (because these were 100% Kassander), and luckily both types are common. The attributions for Antipater I and Alexander V would be shaky (27%), but I have coins with lower odds.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kirispupis, post: 8089529, member: 118780"]From the lack of replies, I gather there's not a lot of interest, but I read through the first Ehrhard article above, as well as [URL='https://www.academia.edu/2006533/A_contribution_to_Cassanders_bronze_coinage']this[/URL] one, and I have a theory. First of all, I learned that Kassander's wife Thessalonica (also Alexander III's sister) divided Macedonia between Alexander V and Antipater I. The kingdom was originally taken by Philip IV, but he died after 4 months. He [I]does[/I] appear to have minted coins in his own name though. After the king was divided, Antipater went after Alexander V, who was forced to request help from Pyrrhos and Demetrios. Pyrrhos arrived first and chased Antipater, along with his wife Eurydike, back to Eurydike's father Lysimachos. Demetrios then arrived late and killed Alexander V. Antipater I was later executed by Lysimachos. That's the history. The following are some numismatic facts. [LIST=1] [*]There's no known coin with Antipater's name on it. Maybe Alexander V minted coins with his name, and it would be difficult for us to know for sure because four other Alexanders minted similar ones. [*]The Valassiadis article above strongly believes the Kassander Apollo/tripod and horse/rider coins were issued roughly at the same time from different mints. [*]Those Kassander coins marked "basileus" could not have been minted before 305 BCE, when Kassander declared himself king. It's unknown when he started minting coins in general, but 311 BCE is thought to be the most likely. [*]There are far more variants of coins issued with "basileus" than without. [/LIST] My theory is therefore the following: [LIST=1] [*]Kassander coinage didn't stop minting on his death in 298 BCE. [*]Neither Antipater I nor Alexander V minted coins in their own names. They both continued issues from their father, one issuing Apollo/tripods and the other horse/riders. [/LIST] Unfortunately, even if this theory is true, it leaves open the following questions: [LIST=1] [*]Who took which mint? In other words, who took which part of Macedonia? I suspect this information is out there somewhere. [*]Which mint marks are theirs? I'm not sure if there is a way to determine this. It would require at the minimum die matching and enough samples to put them in order. From reading, there aren't many hoards to help here. [/LIST] Does anyone here think this theory is likely? Is there some current scholar on Macedonian bronze coinage that I could email to see how plausible it is? If this may be true, then I already have an Apollo/tripod coin (above). I would just need a horse/rider and lion (because these were 100% Kassander), and luckily both types are common. The attributions for Antipater I and Alexander V would be shaky (27%), but I have coins with lower odds.[/QUOTE]
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