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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2444120, member: 24314&quot;]Actually they <span style="color: #b30000">are</span> the same thing.&nbsp; I am aware of at least one major dealer in the 1970&#039;s that started calling very slightly worn AU coins with virtually mark-free surfaces in his catalogue: Uncirculated with &quot;cabinet friction.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>As one of the knowledgeable Mods here has tried to drum into our heads - based on old timey grading standards - Unc = NO TRACE OF WEAR.&nbsp; Therefore, cabinet friction = friction wear + loss of original surface!&nbsp; As he likes to say, &quot;wear is wear.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, today I looked up the ANA&#039;s grading standards for $20 Saints.&nbsp; The ANA has held fast that Uncirculated coins have NO TRACE OF WEAR.&nbsp; GOOD LUCK WITH THAT STANDARD.&nbsp; While I may agree with it and use it for my PERSONAL standard - that standard is totally IGNORED in the marketplace and it is not followed by ANY TPGS.&nbsp; IMO, over 60% of the coins slabbed as MS by the major grading services DO NOT MEET THIS OLD STANDARD.</p><p><br /></p><p>Furthermore, a standard is not a standard (except on paper and in some minds) if it is ignored.&nbsp; AND IT IS IGNORED in the real world away from the &quot;forum rats&quot; such as myself. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie9" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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