seam on denarius edge - cast or not?

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  1. POCAS

    POCAS New Member

    Hello. Everyone.

    Here is the denarius which I bought from reputable dealer.

    I think style and weight(3.13g) is Ok. But I found seam like pattern on the edge and it bothers me alot.

    Can anyone tell me whether it is seam of cast and symptom of fake or just normal pattern which can be found also on genuine coin?

    I am sorry that quality of pictures are not fine.

    Any comment can help me. Thanks.
     

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  3. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I see nothing in the photos sufficient to condemn the coin. Such calls are not safe to make even from good photos. Those are not good. You need to show the coin 'in hand' to someone who would know. Where are you located? There would be help available, for example, at a large coin show like Baltimore if you are Eastern US but I have no idea who to suggest in 95% of the world.
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have to agree with Doug (darn!). I see nothing in the images to make me believe it is not authentic, but, on the other hand, I cannot say with certainty it is authentic either.
     
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  5. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    From what I see, your coin looks genuine. Do you see any file marks? Looking at the coin face-on, especially by the entire edge, it just does not look like a cast to me. I believe the coin flans were originally cast before they were struck into a coin; I wonder if that small section of your coin that you are referring to is just a small remnant of the original cast planchet?? But I think some others here know a lot more than I do about the production mechanisms to better comment.
     
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  6. LaCointessa

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  7. POCAS

    POCAS New Member

    Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, I am not living in CONUS, there are few people who collect ancient roman coins in this country. Though I always buy coins from reputable dealer, it is hard to get informations at offline.
     
  8. POCAS

    POCAS New Member

    Thank you for kind comment! I see no file marks on the edge, and 'the suspicious area' is only part of the edge, not entire. FYI, Here are more photos of the edge.
     

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  9. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    POCAS , your coin looks genuine to me. The edge looks fine. It is actually a handsome coin.
     
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  11. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    It's often possible to condemn a fake coin from a photo, but it's never possible to say with certainty that it is genuine. That said, I agree with the general consensus. The coin does not look cast, the style is correct, and the seam, in this case, does not bother me. Enjoy your coin; it's a real beauty.
     
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  12. POCAS

    POCAS New Member

    Thank you. Sorry again for bad pictures. Here are last pictures.
     

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  13. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    While I cannot authenticate the coin, the edge looks normal to me. A casting seam would be consistent around the entire edge, unless removed by filing which leaves signs. A hand struck coin often has inconsistent edge anomolies, like yours - splits, folds, and short "seams" from pinching between dies.
     
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I appreciate your better photos but still would like them better had you cropped out all that extra space so they appeared larger without us having to open them separately and enlarge. The edge of the coin as shown suggest to me you should stop worrying about the coin. If it came from a reputable dealer and loos like we see in those photos, it is most likely good.
     
  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Redditor Lucis Aeternae

    Looks like it's authentic, but at this point I don't yet have an expert eye.
     
  16. POCAS

    POCAS New Member

    to all/ Thank you for kind comments. I appreciate.
     
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