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<p>[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 6472449, member: 91461"]Scipio Africanus may have his image on a couple of coin types. He may have it on none.</p><p>He may be the first living Roman to have his likeness on a coin. Or not.</p><p>We're not even sure if this is his likeness:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258381[/ATTACH]</p><p>(If this is him, then the legends are true of him being the world's first unified staring contest champion)</p><p><br /></p><p>We do know that after Hannibal's brother, Hasdrubal Barca (those Carthaginians had some rad last names. Barca=thunderbolt), killed Scipio's father and uncle at the battle of the Upper Baetis he was the only Roman willing to lead another attack on this rampaging enemy. Everyone else believed the position an assisted suicide.</p><p>This Scipio though was the little Roman who could... and would bring down the second greatest threat Rome would ever know.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258437[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>He was a 25 year old kid, a decade too young to even hold the proconsular position the Roman people gave him in hopes of some of that Scipio magic.</p><p>As we all know, Lil Scipio wouldn't disappoint. Bringing Hannibal and essentially all of Carthage to their knees... with a nice Chianti!</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258399[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Cut to: At what point do you cut off the leg to save the life? How bad does the gangrene need to be before, whack?</p><p>The answer is on the reverse of my Scipio(?) Afri- couldbe:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258401[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Yep. I purchased this amazing rarity, with quite possibly the image of our and Rome's hero, on the cheap due to the very obvious bronze disease attack on the horses hind and a bit on top by the horses head.</p><p>I've spent the last month or so soaking it in distilled water for a few days, scrub with cut down toothbrush and poke with a tooth pick, repeat.</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]qUE4oDunYkc[/MEDIA]</p><p> Until most of the BD was no longer visible. I then had to use my exacto knife to cut out the rest (some was hiding under the thick patina).</p><p>Baked the victor of Zama at 350 degrees for 40 minutes followed by a relaxing session of Verdi-care applications. I've yet to have BD return following this outline.</p><p>And now, we're alright<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258409[/ATTACH]</p><p>Spain, Carthago Nova Æ Unit. Roman Occupation, after 209 BC. Bare-head left (Scipio Africanus?) / Horse standing right; palm tree behind. CNH Class XI, 282; SNG BM Spain 127-128. 10.98g, 22mm, 12h.</p><p>Good Very Fine. Excellent for issue. Rare.</p><p>Bertolami Jan 2021</p><p>"Villaronga's Class XI, dated 218-206 BC covers that period of the Second Punic War when the Romans, under the leadership of Scipio Africanus, took the war to Carthage's possessions in Spain in order to cause Hannibal to withdraw from Italy. Though still a young man, Scipio displayed extraordinary skills in leadership and by 209 BC brought the provincial Carthaginian city of Qart Hadasht in Spain under his control. Differing substantially from the earlier regional issues which may depict the Barcid generals, this youthful Roman-like head is most likely that of Scipio himself. The rarity of this issue, both in silver and bronze, attests to its short period of striking, and may reflect the Romans' republican views regarding the depiction of a living individual on their coins, even those that would circulate outside of Rome itself."</p><p><br /></p><p>Is it beautiful? Naw. But it wasn't before, nor is the type known for its artistic beauty. But I believe that I have cut out the disease and sealed up the wound saving the coin from a certain and uglier demise.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258439[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>There is also the lovely RR UPS driver version of Scipio (he just looks so unassuming with that dainty nose and pencil neck!):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258431[/ATTACH]</p><p>Cn. Blasio Cn.f..</p><p>Denarius, 3.64g. (h). Rome, 112-111 BC. Obv: Helmeted head right (Scipio Africanus?), mark of value above, caduceus behind, [CN BLA]SIO CN F before. Rx: Jupiter standing. between Juno and Minerva, dot in field, [ROMA] in exergue. Crawford 296/1a. Sydenham 561. RSC Cornelia 19. Minor weakness on reverse. Bold, lustrous EF.</p><p><br /></p><p>Other than these two types I'm not aware of any more coins purported to have Scipio's portrait... are there any?</p><p><br /></p><p>And let's not forget coins of the opposition:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258436[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258435[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I'll leave you with the possibly\probably made up stories by Livy and Appian of when the two generals met up years later to discuss who truly was the greatest general of all time (keeping in mind they had no way of knowing that one day a Ryro would rise above all):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1258442[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>“Africanus asked who, in Hannibal’s opinion, was the greatest general of all time. Hannibal replied: ‘Alexander, King of the Macedonians, because with a small force he routed armies of countless numbers, and because he traversed the remotest lands. Merely to visit such lands transcended human expectation.’ Asked whom he would place second, Hannibal said: ‘Pyrrhus. He was the first to teach the art of laying out a camp. Besides that, no one has ever shown nicer judgement in choosing his ground, or in disposing his forces. He also had the art of winning men to his side; so that the Italian peoples preferred the overlordship of a foreign king to that of the Roman people, who for so long had been the chief power in that country.’ When Africanus followed up by asking whom he ranked third, Hannibal unhesitatingly chose himself. Scipio burst out laughing at this, and said: ‘What would you have said if you had defeated me?’ ‘In that case’, replied Hannibal, ‘I should certainly put myself before Alexander and before Pyrrhus – in fact, before all other generals!’ This reply, with its elaborate Punic subtlety, and this unexpected kind of flattery…affected Scipio deeply, because Hannibal had set him (Scipio) apart from the general run of commanders, as one whose worth was beyond calculation.</p><p>Livy, The History of Rome from its Foundation XXXV.14″</p><p><br /></p><p>The Historian Appian also tells this story in his History of the Rome.</p><p><br /></p><p>” It is said that at one of their meetings in the gymnasium Scipio and Hannibal had a conversation on the subject of generalship, in the presence of a number of bystanders, and that Scipio asked Hannibal whom he considered the greatest general, to which the latter replied, “Alexander of Macedonia.”</p><p>To this Scipio assented since he also yielded the first place to Alexander. Then he asked Hannibal whom he placed next, and he replied, “Pyrrhus of Epirus,” because he considered boldness the first qualification of a general; “for it would not be possible,” he said, “to find two kings more enterprising than these.”</p><p><br /></p><p>Scipio was rather nettled by this, but nevertheless he asked Hannibal to whom he would give the third place, expecting that at least the third would be assigned to him; but Hannibal replied, “To myself; for when I was a young man I conquered Spain and crossed the Alps with an army, the first after Hercules. I invaded Italy and struck terror into all of you, laid waste 400 of your towns, and often put your city in extreme peril, all this time receiving neither money nor reinforcements from Carthage.”</p><p><br /></p><p>As Scipio saw that he was likely to prolong his self-laudation he said, laughing, “Where would you place yourself, Hannibal, if you had not been defeated by me?” Hannibal, now perceiving his jealousy, replied, “In that case I should have put myself before Alexander.” Thus Hannibal continued his self-laudation, but flattered Scipio in a delicate manner by suggesting that he had conquered one who was the superior of Alexander.”</p><p><br /></p><p>So please post those coins of Scipio Africanus, Carthaginian or Roman coins of the time, thoughts, stories or whatever gets your enemies elephant's to turn and trample them[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 6472449, member: 91461"]Scipio Africanus may have his image on a couple of coin types. He may have it on none. He may be the first living Roman to have his likeness on a coin. Or not. We're not even sure if this is his likeness: [ATTACH=full]1258381[/ATTACH] (If this is him, then the legends are true of him being the world's first unified staring contest champion) We do know that after Hannibal's brother, Hasdrubal Barca (those Carthaginians had some rad last names. Barca=thunderbolt), killed Scipio's father and uncle at the battle of the Upper Baetis he was the only Roman willing to lead another attack on this rampaging enemy. Everyone else believed the position an assisted suicide. This Scipio though was the little Roman who could... and would bring down the second greatest threat Rome would ever know. [ATTACH=full]1258437[/ATTACH] He was a 25 year old kid, a decade too young to even hold the proconsular position the Roman people gave him in hopes of some of that Scipio magic. As we all know, Lil Scipio wouldn't disappoint. Bringing Hannibal and essentially all of Carthage to their knees... with a nice Chianti! [ATTACH=full]1258399[/ATTACH] Cut to: At what point do you cut off the leg to save the life? How bad does the gangrene need to be before, whack? The answer is on the reverse of my Scipio(?) Afri- couldbe: [ATTACH=full]1258401[/ATTACH] Yep. I purchased this amazing rarity, with quite possibly the image of our and Rome's hero, on the cheap due to the very obvious bronze disease attack on the horses hind and a bit on top by the horses head. I've spent the last month or so soaking it in distilled water for a few days, scrub with cut down toothbrush and poke with a tooth pick, repeat. [MEDIA=youtube]qUE4oDunYkc[/MEDIA] Until most of the BD was no longer visible. I then had to use my exacto knife to cut out the rest (some was hiding under the thick patina). Baked the victor of Zama at 350 degrees for 40 minutes followed by a relaxing session of Verdi-care applications. I've yet to have BD return following this outline. And now, we're alright;) [ATTACH=full]1258409[/ATTACH] Spain, Carthago Nova Æ Unit. Roman Occupation, after 209 BC. Bare-head left (Scipio Africanus?) / Horse standing right; palm tree behind. CNH Class XI, 282; SNG BM Spain 127-128. 10.98g, 22mm, 12h. Good Very Fine. Excellent for issue. Rare. Bertolami Jan 2021 "Villaronga's Class XI, dated 218-206 BC covers that period of the Second Punic War when the Romans, under the leadership of Scipio Africanus, took the war to Carthage's possessions in Spain in order to cause Hannibal to withdraw from Italy. Though still a young man, Scipio displayed extraordinary skills in leadership and by 209 BC brought the provincial Carthaginian city of Qart Hadasht in Spain under his control. Differing substantially from the earlier regional issues which may depict the Barcid generals, this youthful Roman-like head is most likely that of Scipio himself. The rarity of this issue, both in silver and bronze, attests to its short period of striking, and may reflect the Romans' republican views regarding the depiction of a living individual on their coins, even those that would circulate outside of Rome itself." Is it beautiful? Naw. But it wasn't before, nor is the type known for its artistic beauty. But I believe that I have cut out the disease and sealed up the wound saving the coin from a certain and uglier demise. [ATTACH=full]1258439[/ATTACH] There is also the lovely RR UPS driver version of Scipio (he just looks so unassuming with that dainty nose and pencil neck!): [ATTACH=full]1258431[/ATTACH] Cn. Blasio Cn.f.. Denarius, 3.64g. (h). Rome, 112-111 BC. Obv: Helmeted head right (Scipio Africanus?), mark of value above, caduceus behind, [CN BLA]SIO CN F before. Rx: Jupiter standing. between Juno and Minerva, dot in field, [ROMA] in exergue. Crawford 296/1a. Sydenham 561. RSC Cornelia 19. Minor weakness on reverse. Bold, lustrous EF. Other than these two types I'm not aware of any more coins purported to have Scipio's portrait... are there any? And let's not forget coins of the opposition: [ATTACH=full]1258436[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1258435[/ATTACH] I'll leave you with the possibly\probably made up stories by Livy and Appian of when the two generals met up years later to discuss who truly was the greatest general of all time (keeping in mind they had no way of knowing that one day a Ryro would rise above all): [ATTACH=full]1258442[/ATTACH] “Africanus asked who, in Hannibal’s opinion, was the greatest general of all time. Hannibal replied: ‘Alexander, King of the Macedonians, because with a small force he routed armies of countless numbers, and because he traversed the remotest lands. Merely to visit such lands transcended human expectation.’ Asked whom he would place second, Hannibal said: ‘Pyrrhus. He was the first to teach the art of laying out a camp. Besides that, no one has ever shown nicer judgement in choosing his ground, or in disposing his forces. He also had the art of winning men to his side; so that the Italian peoples preferred the overlordship of a foreign king to that of the Roman people, who for so long had been the chief power in that country.’ When Africanus followed up by asking whom he ranked third, Hannibal unhesitatingly chose himself. Scipio burst out laughing at this, and said: ‘What would you have said if you had defeated me?’ ‘In that case’, replied Hannibal, ‘I should certainly put myself before Alexander and before Pyrrhus – in fact, before all other generals!’ This reply, with its elaborate Punic subtlety, and this unexpected kind of flattery…affected Scipio deeply, because Hannibal had set him (Scipio) apart from the general run of commanders, as one whose worth was beyond calculation. Livy, The History of Rome from its Foundation XXXV.14″ The Historian Appian also tells this story in his History of the Rome. ” It is said that at one of their meetings in the gymnasium Scipio and Hannibal had a conversation on the subject of generalship, in the presence of a number of bystanders, and that Scipio asked Hannibal whom he considered the greatest general, to which the latter replied, “Alexander of Macedonia.” To this Scipio assented since he also yielded the first place to Alexander. Then he asked Hannibal whom he placed next, and he replied, “Pyrrhus of Epirus,” because he considered boldness the first qualification of a general; “for it would not be possible,” he said, “to find two kings more enterprising than these.” Scipio was rather nettled by this, but nevertheless he asked Hannibal to whom he would give the third place, expecting that at least the third would be assigned to him; but Hannibal replied, “To myself; for when I was a young man I conquered Spain and crossed the Alps with an army, the first after Hercules. I invaded Italy and struck terror into all of you, laid waste 400 of your towns, and often put your city in extreme peril, all this time receiving neither money nor reinforcements from Carthage.” As Scipio saw that he was likely to prolong his self-laudation he said, laughing, “Where would you place yourself, Hannibal, if you had not been defeated by me?” Hannibal, now perceiving his jealousy, replied, “In that case I should have put myself before Alexander.” Thus Hannibal continued his self-laudation, but flattered Scipio in a delicate manner by suggesting that he had conquered one who was the superior of Alexander.” So please post those coins of Scipio Africanus, Carthaginian or Roman coins of the time, thoughts, stories or whatever gets your enemies elephant's to turn and trample them[/QUOTE]
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