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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8286361, member: 26430"]In my opinion, <span style="color: #ff0000">the two coins are definitely NOT die matches</span> -- <span style="color: #ff0000">at least not double. (Just compare the placement of the letters in the legends, the angles of the lines in the monogram. Four different dies made these two coins.)</span></p><p><br /></p><p><b>EDIT: </b><i><span style="color: #0000ff">Okay, too strongly stated, too quick, at least on the obverse. I overlaid them on photoshop and those obverse appear to be the same.</span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #0000ff">And the reverse appears to be the same. </span></i></p><p><i><span style="color: #0000ff">Double die match. Concerning!</span></i></p><p><br /></p><p>You're absolutely right about Emporium Hamburg's output, though, and to keep a critical eye on these coins generally.</p><p><br /></p><p>EH's countless late AE4 rarities are way beyond what I would consider credible! They are responsible for <i>the vast majority</i> of the very late rarities in ACSearch. Often numerous coins that have never appeared in another auction. And all appearing very similar in style. Their pedigree in a later sale is a big red flag.</p><p><br /></p><p>There have been lots of online discussions of this, as I'm sure many are aware.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't know if the CNG coin is real but I wouldn't have doubted it -- beyond the fact that I do feel a special skepticism for any tiny crude AE4s (much as I love those coins; I've got dozens or hundreds I pulled from group lots over the years and decades, most of which I still can't definitively ID). I also highly skeptical of many of the attributions. (As Rasiel Suarez wrote about in his blog post on "<a href="https://dirtyoldcoins.com/Roman-Coins-Blog/1239" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://dirtyoldcoins.com/Roman-Coins-Blog/1239" rel="nofollow">The Avitus Problem</a>" [a <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-avitus-ae-problem.250537/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-avitus-ae-problem.250537/">related CT discussion here</a>] a few years back I think.)</p><p><br /></p><p>But I would feel much much better about the CNG coin. To me nothing jumps out as obviously wrong with it, and it's much more convincing that the E-H one. <b>EDIT</b>: <span style="color: #0000ff">Except that I now see it's a die match. I'd really like to know how the E-H ones are produced. They have a very distinctive look. (Maybe they start looking like the CNG but then they're always heavily weathered to look rough?)</span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8286361, member: 26430"]In my opinion, [COLOR=#ff0000]the two coins are definitely NOT die matches[/COLOR] -- [COLOR=#ff0000]at least not double. (Just compare the placement of the letters in the legends, the angles of the lines in the monogram. Four different dies made these two coins.)[/COLOR] [B]EDIT: [/B][I][COLOR=#0000ff]Okay, too strongly stated, too quick, at least on the obverse. I overlaid them on photoshop and those obverse appear to be the same. And the reverse appears to be the same. Double die match. Concerning![/COLOR][/I] You're absolutely right about Emporium Hamburg's output, though, and to keep a critical eye on these coins generally. EH's countless late AE4 rarities are way beyond what I would consider credible! They are responsible for [I]the vast majority[/I] of the very late rarities in ACSearch. Often numerous coins that have never appeared in another auction. And all appearing very similar in style. Their pedigree in a later sale is a big red flag. There have been lots of online discussions of this, as I'm sure many are aware. I don't know if the CNG coin is real but I wouldn't have doubted it -- beyond the fact that I do feel a special skepticism for any tiny crude AE4s (much as I love those coins; I've got dozens or hundreds I pulled from group lots over the years and decades, most of which I still can't definitively ID). I also highly skeptical of many of the attributions. (As Rasiel Suarez wrote about in his blog post on "[URL='https://dirtyoldcoins.com/Roman-Coins-Blog/1239']The Avitus Problem[/URL]" [a [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/the-avitus-ae-problem.250537/']related CT discussion here[/URL]] a few years back I think.) But I would feel much much better about the CNG coin. To me nothing jumps out as obviously wrong with it, and it's much more convincing that the E-H one. [B]EDIT[/B]: [COLOR=#0000ff]Except that I now see it's a die match. I'd really like to know how the E-H ones are produced. They have a very distinctive look. (Maybe they start looking like the CNG but then they're always heavily weathered to look rough?)[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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