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<p>[QUOTE="Andrew McCabe, post: 3523324, member: 90666"]Rare not scarce as is this entire issue. You are being too modest.</p><p><br /></p><p>So I have a question that CT may be able to help me on another coin from this issue in my collection:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]935682[/ATTACH]</p><p>My provenance for this coin is as follows:</p><ol> <li>NAC92 (23 May 2016) lot 387 (CHF5000) ex</li> <li>NAC72 (16 May 2013) lot 485 (CHF6500) ex</li> <li>NAC Autumn 95 (26 Oct. 1995) lot 402 (est. CHF800) ex</li> <li>Münzen Medaillen Basel 17 (2 Dec.1957) lot 180 ex</li> <li>Karl Kress (Otto Helbing) 102 (7 Dec. 1956) lot 174 ex</li> <li>Karl Kress (Otto Helbing) 92 (31 Mar. 1952) lot 321</li> <li>= Banti, Corpus Nummorum Romanorum, LICINIA 24/2 (this coin)</li> <li>= Alföldi - Redeunt Saturnia Regna 1997 p.131,pl.41,no.9 (this coin)</li> <li>= Alföldi , <i><b>"Sulla, Ruler by the Grace of God",</b></i> Chiron 6, 1976, pp.142-158, pls.7-10, <b><i>this coin cited and illustrated [to be verified, and original German title needed]</i></b></li> </ol><p>Provenances 8 and 9 come from discovering this in the collected Alföldi works (volume 3 of the Green Julius Caesar books, called Redeunt Saturnia Regna and published posthumously in 1997 in English translation):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]935686[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>So number 9 is my coin. The chapter that this coin appears in was apparently taken from the 1976 Chiron 3 article. Chiron, which is the short name for "Mitteilungen der Kommission für Alte Geschichte und Epigraphik des Deutschen Archäologischen Instituts", is a German language publication and is not available online through my normal academic resources before c.1995. I don't know what the Chiron 3 article is actually named, only the name of the English chapter in the 1997 book, <b><i>"Sulla, Ruler by the Grace of God"</i></b>. And I haven't verified my coin is illustrated in Chiron 6.</p><p><br /></p><p>But most significantly, this illustration, number 9, DIFFERS from the actual illustration in M&M Basel 17 in that the latter is lower quality than the 1997 image; the 1957 image is shown here at left (#180) beside the 1997 (#9):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]935691[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>It seems counterintuitive that the image at right could be a derivative of the image at left. Clearly the righthand image looks better, and you can't get better than the original. So where did Alfoeldi's ancestors get the excellent photo used to illustrate the 1997 book? What photo did he use for the 1976 article? Was Alfoeldi a coin collector - might this have been his coin? But on the other hand the shading and light seem similar.</p><p><br /></p><p>One possible easy answer is that he was in touch with M&M Basel and they had the original photo in high resolution from the 1957 sale which he used for the 1976 article. But I haven't seen the article. Maybe someone here has some views or has access to Chiron 6.</p><p><br /></p><p>Andrew[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Andrew McCabe, post: 3523324, member: 90666"]Rare not scarce as is this entire issue. You are being too modest. So I have a question that CT may be able to help me on another coin from this issue in my collection: [ATTACH=full]935682[/ATTACH] My provenance for this coin is as follows: [LIST=1] [*]NAC92 (23 May 2016) lot 387 (CHF5000) ex [*]NAC72 (16 May 2013) lot 485 (CHF6500) ex [*]NAC Autumn 95 (26 Oct. 1995) lot 402 (est. CHF800) ex [*]Münzen Medaillen Basel 17 (2 Dec.1957) lot 180 ex [*]Karl Kress (Otto Helbing) 102 (7 Dec. 1956) lot 174 ex [*]Karl Kress (Otto Helbing) 92 (31 Mar. 1952) lot 321 [*]= Banti, Corpus Nummorum Romanorum, LICINIA 24/2 (this coin) [*]= Alföldi - Redeunt Saturnia Regna 1997 p.131,pl.41,no.9 (this coin) [*]= Alföldi , [I][B]"Sulla, Ruler by the Grace of God",[/B][/I] Chiron 6, 1976, pp.142-158, pls.7-10, [B][I]this coin cited and illustrated [to be verified, and original German title needed][/I][/B] [/LIST] Provenances 8 and 9 come from discovering this in the collected Alföldi works (volume 3 of the Green Julius Caesar books, called Redeunt Saturnia Regna and published posthumously in 1997 in English translation): [ATTACH=full]935686[/ATTACH] So number 9 is my coin. The chapter that this coin appears in was apparently taken from the 1976 Chiron 3 article. Chiron, which is the short name for "Mitteilungen der Kommission für Alte Geschichte und Epigraphik des Deutschen Archäologischen Instituts", is a German language publication and is not available online through my normal academic resources before c.1995. I don't know what the Chiron 3 article is actually named, only the name of the English chapter in the 1997 book, [B][I]"Sulla, Ruler by the Grace of God"[/I][/B]. And I haven't verified my coin is illustrated in Chiron 6. But most significantly, this illustration, number 9, DIFFERS from the actual illustration in M&M Basel 17 in that the latter is lower quality than the 1997 image; the 1957 image is shown here at left (#180) beside the 1997 (#9): [ATTACH=full]935691[/ATTACH] It seems counterintuitive that the image at right could be a derivative of the image at left. Clearly the righthand image looks better, and you can't get better than the original. So where did Alfoeldi's ancestors get the excellent photo used to illustrate the 1997 book? What photo did he use for the 1976 article? Was Alfoeldi a coin collector - might this have been his coin? But on the other hand the shading and light seem similar. One possible easy answer is that he was in touch with M&M Basel and they had the original photo in high resolution from the 1957 sale which he used for the 1976 article. But I haven't seen the article. Maybe someone here has some views or has access to Chiron 6. Andrew[/QUOTE]
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