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<p>[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 425047, member: 5629"]I would have to completely disagree on this statement...and it's not just because you said it, particularly. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>If there is <b>ANYBODY</b> who can get Ikes for $1, you would have quite a gold mine on your hands, seriously. Placing $1 in the bank will take two years or more to gain 5%. Yet, Ikes sell circulated...even in bulk...for that much, sometimes for 10% up.</p><p><br /></p><p>It does not matter how "insignificant" the spread may be, the spread is there. Thus, the answer is a resounding "yes and no"...yes to the Ikes, no to the SBAs. SBAs are still abundantly available at banks and easily found in circulation. You can get an SBA for $1, provided your bank or credit union deals in dollar coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Ikes on the other hand are no longer available through the Fed distribution channels (though there are some who claim they can get them from the Fed, but I have not seen anyone show any results). Banks and Credit Unions only have Ikes available when they are turned in...and even accepted...by a customer.</p><p><br /></p><p>Metal content is no issue...circulation scarcity is. Ikes are scarce, and thus, even though the spread may be quite low, hoarders and collectors do pay a premium over face. This premium exceeds both what you would get from depository gains as well as even acceptable investment gains.</p><p><br /></p><p>An acceptable investment gain is 12% annually. Basically, if you start with a $2000 investment, an acceptable return over the year should be $240 above costs of the investment. Placing that same $2000 in a bank for the year would normally yield about $45 on the annum.</p><p><br /></p><p>That same $2000 invested over a one month period (time to purchase/receive/market/sell/ship) if you could get them at face value, should return at least $100 if sold for even as low as $1.05 each. If done on a monthly basis, that's a yield of $1200 on the annum!</p><p><br /></p><p>To get the same form of return from a bank savings account would require $48000 to sit in your account all year long! Or, you would have to invest (and yield an acceptable return) $10000 for the year.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, that would all be <b>IF</b> Ikes were indeed only worth $1. Then again, if Ikes were truly only worth $1, we would not be seeing people paying a premium (no matter how insignificantly small) to obtain them.</p><p><br /></p><p>So because we do not see people making that kind of spread on Ikes, and because the Ikes people are selling are usually not obtained for $1 a piece, and because people are indeed paying that still small premium of a few cents on the dollar to get them, be assured that Ikes truly are <b>NOT</b> worth only $1, no matter how insignificantly above face value the current demand price is.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 425047, member: 5629"]I would have to completely disagree on this statement...and it's not just because you said it, particularly. ;) If there is [B]ANYBODY[/B] who can get Ikes for $1, you would have quite a gold mine on your hands, seriously. Placing $1 in the bank will take two years or more to gain 5%. Yet, Ikes sell circulated...even in bulk...for that much, sometimes for 10% up. It does not matter how "insignificant" the spread may be, the spread is there. Thus, the answer is a resounding "yes and no"...yes to the Ikes, no to the SBAs. SBAs are still abundantly available at banks and easily found in circulation. You can get an SBA for $1, provided your bank or credit union deals in dollar coins. Ikes on the other hand are no longer available through the Fed distribution channels (though there are some who claim they can get them from the Fed, but I have not seen anyone show any results). Banks and Credit Unions only have Ikes available when they are turned in...and even accepted...by a customer. Metal content is no issue...circulation scarcity is. Ikes are scarce, and thus, even though the spread may be quite low, hoarders and collectors do pay a premium over face. This premium exceeds both what you would get from depository gains as well as even acceptable investment gains. An acceptable investment gain is 12% annually. Basically, if you start with a $2000 investment, an acceptable return over the year should be $240 above costs of the investment. Placing that same $2000 in a bank for the year would normally yield about $45 on the annum. That same $2000 invested over a one month period (time to purchase/receive/market/sell/ship) if you could get them at face value, should return at least $100 if sold for even as low as $1.05 each. If done on a monthly basis, that's a yield of $1200 on the annum! To get the same form of return from a bank savings account would require $48000 to sit in your account all year long! Or, you would have to invest (and yield an acceptable return) $10000 for the year. Of course, that would all be [B]IF[/B] Ikes were indeed only worth $1. Then again, if Ikes were truly only worth $1, we would not be seeing people paying a premium (no matter how insignificantly small) to obtain them. So because we do not see people making that kind of spread on Ikes, and because the Ikes people are selling are usually not obtained for $1 a piece, and because people are indeed paying that still small premium of a few cents on the dollar to get them, be assured that Ikes truly are [B]NOT[/B] worth only $1, no matter how insignificantly above face value the current demand price is.[/QUOTE]
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