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<p>[QUOTE="DEA, post: 8140767, member: 90140"]I cannot wait to hear from those more knowledgeable than I, but I'm going to make a stab at this. Mining thalers, I think, began in about 1486, which contained about 32 grams of silver. It was the joachimsthaler that started the 'thaler' identification. Not too much time later, the silver from the Americas began flooding Europe. </p><p><br /></p><p>It seems the Leipziger Fuss (Leipzig Standard) of 1690 had been 19.5 grams of silver in a thaler. Friedrich II the Great (ruled 1740-1786) had to debase his thaler to 16.7 grams of silver because of the many conflicts he got himself into. But the Konventions- denominations (Konventionstaler, Koventionsgulden, et al) were associated with a monetary convention between Austria and Bavaria in 1753, which the majority of the issuing states in the Holy Roman Empire stuck to despite Fred the Great's major wins. </p><p><br /></p><p>The Koventionstaler, from what I can make out, was equal to one reichstaler or two gulden - struck at the ratio of ten to the fine mark of silver, which is less than 19.5 grams of silver but more than 16.7 grams of silver. </p><p><br /></p><p>So, if this is all correct, we're talking a significant difference in the amount of silver in a mining thaler (about 32 grarms) versus a Konventionstaler (about 19.5 grams). Yes? Or am completely lost?</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm pulling this out of the SC of <i>German Coins</i>, 3rd edition, in the section titled <i>A Brief Overview of German Monetary History</i>.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DEA, post: 8140767, member: 90140"]I cannot wait to hear from those more knowledgeable than I, but I'm going to make a stab at this. Mining thalers, I think, began in about 1486, which contained about 32 grams of silver. It was the joachimsthaler that started the 'thaler' identification. Not too much time later, the silver from the Americas began flooding Europe. It seems the Leipziger Fuss (Leipzig Standard) of 1690 had been 19.5 grams of silver in a thaler. Friedrich II the Great (ruled 1740-1786) had to debase his thaler to 16.7 grams of silver because of the many conflicts he got himself into. But the Konventions- denominations (Konventionstaler, Koventionsgulden, et al) were associated with a monetary convention between Austria and Bavaria in 1753, which the majority of the issuing states in the Holy Roman Empire stuck to despite Fred the Great's major wins. The Koventionstaler, from what I can make out, was equal to one reichstaler or two gulden - struck at the ratio of ten to the fine mark of silver, which is less than 19.5 grams of silver but more than 16.7 grams of silver. So, if this is all correct, we're talking a significant difference in the amount of silver in a mining thaler (about 32 grarms) versus a Konventionstaler (about 19.5 grams). Yes? Or am completely lost? I'm pulling this out of the SC of [I]German Coins[/I], 3rd edition, in the section titled [I]A Brief Overview of German Monetary History[/I].[/QUOTE]
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