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It seems the Leipziger Fuss (Leipzig Standard) of 1690 had been 19.5 grams of silver in a thaler. Friedrich II the Great (ruled 1740-1786) had to debase his thaler to 16.7 grams of silver because of the many conflicts he got himself into. But the Konventions- denominations (Konventionstaler, Koventionsgulden, et al) were associated with a monetary convention between Austria and Bavaria in 1753, which the majority of the issuing states in the Holy Roman Empire stuck to despite Fred the Great's major wins.
The Koventionstaler, from what I can make out, was equal to one reichstaler or two gulden - struck at the ratio of ten to the fine mark of silver, which is less than 19.5 grams of silver but more than 16.7 grams of silver.
So, if this is all correct, we're talking a significant difference in the amount of silver in a mining thaler (about 32 grarms) versus a Konventionstaler (about 19.5 grams). Yes? Or am completely lost?
I'm pulling this out of the SC of German Coins, 3rd edition, in the section titled A Brief Overview of German Monetary History.
This, if it is of any use to you, details the progression from Mining Thalers to Conventions Thalers and beyond.
This thread is something I will be watching with interest also as I have a Saxony Convention Thaler, 1763 minted at Dresden
The 2nd one is a modern re-strike.
@Seattlite86 might know?
Here two german pages you can copy into the translator:
Saxony and Prussia possibly minted the most mining talers, here two later and more common examples from my collection:
Kingdom of Prussia - Taler - 1835 - King Friedrich Wilhelm III.
Kingdom of Saxony - Taler - 1870 - King Johann
https://moneymuseum.com/pdf/gestern/05_neuzeit/01 Der Taler die Handelsmuenze des 16 Jhdts.pdf
Two other reads:
Here’s a pretty good read on mining thalers: https://coinweek.com/auctions-news/...-featured-in-stacks-bowers-2019-ana-auction/
And here’s a book on the Brunswick ones (never read it, just found it researching). https://www.vcoins.com/de/stores/charles_davis/44/product/duve_history_of_the_redeemable_multiple_and_mining_talers_of_brunswickluneburg/1157478/Default.aspx
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