Saw this in a NGG slab today

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  1. jfscmedic

    jfscmedic Well-Known Member

    A ancient coin I sold at the market. Buyer sent it to NGC and had it stabbed. Graded Choice XF
    Strike 5/5. Surfaces 3/5 Brushed

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  3. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    I know it's subjective and doesn't really matter but do you agree with the grading?
     
  4. jfscmedic

    jfscmedic Well-Known Member

    I do. Not sure how you determine Brushed on a 2000+ year old coin
     
  5. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    You can see it best on the reverse to the left of the figure.
     
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  6. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Scratches that go over raised details, and generally go in the same direction. Dies two millennia ago weren't polished like they are in modern times during prep.
     
  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    True, but part of flan preparation sometimes involved scraping the unstruck surfaces with a cheese grater (or ancient equivalent, apparently).

    Some examples:

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    SIKYONIA, Sikyon
    335-330 BCE
    AR stater, 23 mm, 12.3 gm
    Obv: Chimera standing left; wreath above, ΣE below
    Rev: Dove flying left; A to left; all within wreath
    Ref: BCD Peloponnesos 220; Traité III 775, pl. CCXX, 11
    CNG 342, from the "collection of a Southern Pathologist, purchased from C.H. Wolfe, 3 May 1989"

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    PONTOS, Amisos
    85-65 BCE, time of Mithradates VI Eupator
    AE 22 mm, 7 gm
    Obv: Aegis facing
    Rev: AMI-ΣOY; Nike advancing right with shouldered palm branch; monograms flanking
    Ref: SNG BM Black Sea 1177-1191; HGC 7, 242

    On the Antiochos Epiphanes tetradrachm shown in the OP, to me it looks more like someones misguided or clumsy attempt at cleaning encrustations from the fields. Maybe the "brushed" note means the devices, which look a bit polished.

    Don't get me wrong-- it's still a very nice coin :)
     
  8. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    The lines in front of the standing figure are too fine to be from a cheese grater. The key is to see if they go over the devices.
     
  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    My point is that sometimes ancient coins are clumsily cleaned or relieved of encrustations by hasty scratching with an object which leaves dents or scrapes on the coin, and this is generally confined to the fields.

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    It's hard to say what the grader meant based on these pictures but am speculating that "brushed" really meant "cleaned with a pointed object". Perhaps those lines marked in yellow are just flan adjustment marks like the coins I showed previously. maybe they're artifacts of the images. On the other hand, the devices do look polished relative to the fields, so perhaps that's what the grader meant by "brushed" since typically the other types of marks are labeled "cleaning scratches".
     
  10. jfscmedic

    jfscmedic Well-Known Member

    So would the word "Brushed" on the label send collectors running and screaming in the opposite direction the same as words like Cleaned. Corroded Scratched Damaged do on American coins ?
     
  11. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    No, in most instances and for most ancients collectors it's not a kiss of death :).
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It is not always easy to tell in photos but scratches that are raised on the coin could well be the result of polishing or filing a die. Recessed scratches are either from flan preparation or cleaning. What I see in this case looks like cleaning with a pointed object to remove encrustations in the fields. I don't see brush like scratches on the high parts but they do look polished as TIF pointed out. Why the slab mentioned one and not the other, IDK.

    Raised field lines from die prep?
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    Recessed lines from blank prep/filing
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  13. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    Brushed means exactly what it sounds like.... cleaned with a wire brush. The result is fine scratches on a coin, sometimes all over the coin, sometimes in a localized area. It’s not something that always shows up in a photo.

    We are well aware of the differences between brushing, adjustment marks, die polishing lines, scratches, graffiti etc....
     
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  14. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Does "brushed" mean the same as "whizzed"?
     
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  15. jfscmedic

    jfscmedic Well-Known Member

    I don't Think so
     
  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Ed. No. I did that in the snow. :)
     
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  17. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

     
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