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  1. OutsiderSubtype

    OutsiderSubtype Well-Known Member

    24 to 25 mm sounds right.
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  3. dopey

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  4. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    RIC refers to the series of books: "Roman Imperial Coinage" Mattingly H. & E. Sydenham, et al. The Roman Imperial Coinage. (London, 1926 - 2020).
    RIC IV 676 refers to: Book 4 coin# 676 - you can find an index to this information online at Online Coins of the Roman Empire (OCRE) with examples of the coins - the online version has some advantages over the books, but is also missing a lot of useful (sometimes very dated) material from the books.
    RIC IV Severus Alexander 676

    RIC 1664 is ambiguous and could be Hadrian or Marcus Aurelius (possibly others too) - links to OCRE provided:
    RIC II, Part 3 (second edition) Hadrian 1664
    RIC III Marcus Aurelius 1664

    I will add: with this last coin the "As" is a denomination that is struck in "AE" metal (Aes in Latin means bronze)

    As this is the Saturday Night "Free for All" Thread:
    Kronenbourg 1664 is a reference to something else entirely
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    We should mention that RIC authors of the various volumes used several different ways of deciding when to start over with the numbers so we should always give a little more detail than simply the RIC number. My personal preference is to add the volume and page number for that coin which works for all volumes. Many but not volumes are obvious if you give the name of the emperor but, for example, there are duplicate numbers for Diocletian mints in volume V and VI so saying less than everything could lead someone astray. RIC was not written to be used by beginners so it is up to us to learn to use the books.
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  6. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish) Supporter

    Thanks @Sulla80 . I have always thought your photos have been great and I actually like both of the photos you show but I can definitely see that your newer one is a nice improvement. Good shots!

    I struggle with partially silvered coins too. I typically like to photograph coins in natural sunlight but I’ve found it’s better (for me) to use lamps for partially silvered coins. It’s easier for me to control the angles of the light and the coin and the camera and the coin. I experiment until I find the right combo of those two angles to prevent that partial burnout look you can get on some silvered coin photos.

    I actually keep my shutter speed pretty short usually (1/400 +-) because I find vibration can cause a loss of sharpness in the details on objects as small as coins at longer shutter speeds (at least with my set up).
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  7. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    This is in horrible shape but it presents Constantine II as consul only, without any imperial title, a rare occurrence in the coinage of the Late Empire.

    cos 2.jpg

    AE3 18mm 2.30g reduced follis/nummus, minted at Trier, 321.
    CONSTANTINVS IVN N COS II; laureate bust left, wearing trabea, holding eagle-tipped sceptre in right hand.
    BEATA TRAN *** QVLITAS; altar inscribed with VO / TIS / XX
    PTR in exergue
    not in RIC VII Trier (should be before 312), not in RMBT

    Consular coinage in general is scarce starting with the second half of the 3rd century but by the time of Constantine it became very rare. Naming an imperial figure but without his rank on base metal coinage was highly irregular but known for Constantine II from Lyon also. The two mints, Trier and Lyon seem to have been minting a special issue of the BEATA type to celebrate Constantine II and his second consulship. This issue is likely related to Constantine I marking his quindecennalia in 320 and the vows taken by his sons after the event.

    Unlike the coinage for Constantine's vicennalia, the coinage minted for his quindecennalia is way more varied and complex, showing a dynastic character also.
  8. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    Roman Thermae at Hamat Gader, under Israeli control a few kilometers from the Jordanian border. These Springs were restored and reopened in 663 AD by Mu'awiya I, who spared no expense in restoring the baths.
    "The combination of a sacred spring, therapeutic thermae and a cultic theatre offered visitors the same type of religious, medical and social facilities which were available at many cultic centres throughout the Roman Empire."
    - HIRSCHFELD, YIZHAR, and GIORA SOLAR. “The Roman Thermae at Ḥammat Gader: Preliminary Report of Three Seasons of Excavations.” Israel Exploration Journal, vol. 31, no. 3/4, 1981, pp. 197–219.

    This inscription is the only inscription to attest to the rule of Mu'awiya I in Syria. Mu'awiya I (661-680 AD) was the founder and first caliph of the Umayyad Caliphate ٱلْخِلَافَة ٱلْأُمَوِيَّة (651-750 AD), the second of four major caliphates after the death of Muhammad.
    "In the days of Abd Allah ("Servant of God") Mu'awiya, the commander of the faithful, the hot baths of the people there were saved and rebuilt by Abd Allah son of Abuasemos (Abu Hashem?) the Counsellor, on the fifth of the month of December, the second day of the 6th year of the indiction, in the year 726 of the colony, according to the Arabs the 42nd year, for the healing of the sick, under the care of Joannes, the official of Gadara". The years quoted correspond to the year ca. 663 AD.

    And this is a coin from the time of Mu'awiya I that imitated a Khusro drachm.
    Muawiyah I Umayyad Caliphate.jpg
    Islamic, Umayyad Caliphate, time of Mu'awiya I ibn Abi Sufyan, AH 41-60 / AD 661-680, AR Drachm, Khusro type, BYŠ (Bishapur) mint, dated AH 48 (AD 668/9).
    Obv: Crowned Sasanian-style bust right; rabbi and bismillah in Arabic in outer margin
    Rev: Fire altar with ribbons and attendants; star and crescent flanking flames; date to left; mint to right
    Ref: SICA I 122-7; Walker, Arab-Sasanian 25; Album 5
    Note: This type is now identified as an issue of Ziyad b. Abi Sufyan as
    governor of al-Basra, before he was granted the governorship of
    al-Kufa as well. (Album 5) administrator of the Umayyad caliphate, governor of Basra in 665–670, first governor of Iraq and virtual viceroy of the eastern Caliphate between 670 and his death.
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  9. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    My first Saturday Night Free For All!!!

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  10. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Oooh what’s the Kermit green coin? I like that one! And the rest too but that green one!
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  11. Everett Guy

    Everett Guy Well-Known Member

    Just picked these up today. 20210205_171922.jpg 20210205_171957.jpg
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  12. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Supporter! Supporter

    There have been quite a number of very interesting threads as of late and I have been quite active with some of them. As such I am constantly rummaging through my boxes looking for coins to add to the threads being discussed. One that got my attention is this coin Rhodes Ar Tetradrachm202- 190 BC In the names and types of Alexander III of Macedon. Obv Beardless head of Herakles wearing lion skin headdress. Rv Zeus Aetrophoros seated left. Price 2522 16.71 grms 30 mm Photo by W. Hansen Xrhodes 8.jpg Rhodes apears to have been minting tetradrachms of the Alexander type more or less at the same time as Aspendos Phaselis and Perge among others. It is interesting that this broad flan coinage came out of this region at that particular time. What is also interesting is that the spread flan attic tetradrachms continued with some of the New Style Athenian coinage as welll as the stephanophoric types such as those minted at Kyme Magnesia and Myrina
  13. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    I've had this coin for a few months now, a seemingly unique example of a previously unpublished type for Commodus at Philippopolis. Yesterday I submitted it to RPC and this morning received a quick reply indicating that it now has its own entry in the ever-expanding RPC online database.

    RPC currently lists 146 entries for Commodus's coins struck at Philippopolis, but only two, including mine, have Heracles as a reverse type. The governor named on the coin, Caecilius Maternus, narrows the date of the issue down to around AD 187.

    Commodus - Philippopolis AE30 Hercules 4182.JPG
    AE30. 18.71g, 30.4mm. THRACE, Philippopolis, circa AD 187. Caecilius Maternus (legatus Augusti pro praetore provinciae Thraciae). Varbanov -; SNG Cop -; BMC -; Corpus Nummorum Online -; RPC Online IV.1 temp 11896/1 (this coin). O: AV ΚΑΙ Μ ΑV ΚΟΜΟΔΟΣ, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right. R: ΗΓΕ ΚΑΙ ΜΑΤΕΡΝΟΥ ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΠ/ΟΛΕΙΤΩΝ, Heracles standing right, nude but for lion skin draped over left arm, holding club set on ground in right hand.
  14. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    That's great! The editors of RPC IV are very responsive.
  15. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    They are, and helpful too!
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  16. Roman Collector

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    How about a Caracalla provincial for a Saturday free-for-all?

    Caracalla Hadrianopolis-Sebaste Tyche.jpg
    Caracalla, AD 198-217.
    Roman provincial Æ 21.7 mm, 5.81 g, 6 h.
    Phrygia, Hadrianopolis-Sebaste; Poteitos, archon, AD 198-209.
    Obv: M AV ANTƱNЄI, laureate and cuirassed bust, right.
    Rev: ΑΔΡΙΑ APX ΠOTЄITO, Tyche standing, left, wearing kalathos, holding rudder set on globe and cornucopiae.
    Refs: BMC 25.225,4 var.; SNG Cop 407 (same obv. die); Lindgren 959 var.; Babelon IW 6069.
  17. Clavdivs

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    Just posting a coin of Carthage, minted on the island of Sardinia, an island I would LOVE to visit someday.. have any members been to Sardinia? I would love to hear their impressions. The online pictures are just beautiful.. and well, the history of course...

    Photos of Sardinia

    From Wiki:

    Sardinia has been inhabited since the Paleolithic. The island's most notable civilization is the indigenous Nuragic, which flourished from the 18th century BC to either 238 BC or the 2nd century AD in some parts of the island, and to the 6th century AD in that part of the island known as Barbagia. After a period in which the island was ruled by a political and economic alliance between the Nuragic Sardinians and the Phoenicians, parts of it were conquered by Carthage in the late 6th century BC, and by Rome in 238 BC. The Roman occupation lasted for 700 years. Beginning in the Early Middle Ages, the island was ruled by the Vandals and the Byzantines. In practice, the island was disconnected from Byzantium's territorial influence, which allowed the Sardinians to provide themselves with a self-ruling political organization, the four kingdoms known as Judicates. The Italian maritime republics of Pisa and Genoa struggled to impose political control over these indigenous kingdoms, but it was the Iberian Crown of Aragon which, in 1324, succeeded in bringing the island under its control, consolidating it into the Kingdom of Sardinia. This Iberian kingdom endured until 1718, when it was ceded to the Alpine House of Savoy and later politically merged with the other Savoyard domains on the Italian Mainland. Later, during the period of Italian unification, the Savoyards expanded their domains to include the entire Italian peninsula; their territory was renamed into the Kingdom of Italy in 1861, and it was reconstituted as the present-day Italian Republic in 1946.

    4.39g, Wreathed head of Tanit left; Horse head right, anulet below chin. SNG Cop 15, Sardinian mint
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  18. OutsiderSubtype

    OutsiderSubtype Well-Known Member

    More Harun al-Rashid!


    Abbasid Caliphate. Time of Harun al-Rashid. Dated 171 AH (787-788 CE). Silver dirham. Al-Muhammadiya mint. Cites Harun al-Rashid, as "al-khalifa al-Rashid". Mubarak divided above and below reverse. Album 219.5.

    The obverse is quite sharp while the reverse is a little weak, hence the uneven lighting in my photos.

    The top line of the reverse is MB and the bottom line is RK (you have to infer most vowels, thus "mubarak". I am still learning, but my impression is that in this context it is not a name, but rather simply the Arabic word meaning "auspicious".
  19. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    The end of Norman Sicily and the beginning of direct Imperial rule under the Staufen:

    Tancred d'Altavilla (Hauteville) King of Sicily (1189-1194) with his son and heir Roger III (1192-1193):


    Heinrich von Staufen as Holy Roman Emperor and King of Sicily (1194-1197) with Costanza d'Altavilla:

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  20. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Supporter! Supporter

    This coin does remind me that sometimes you really have to wonder about people. Marcus Aurelius
    Ar didrachm Caesarea in Cappadocia 161-165 AD Onv head right laureate Rv Mount Argaeus with star above Sydenham 328 5.84 grms 20 mm Photo by W. Hansen
    ccapmaurelius4.jpg Some years ago when I showed this coin to another collector he asked me " Why is there a Christmas tree on this coin? When I explained that what he was actually looking at was a depiction of a sacred mountain he remain steadfast in his determination that it was a Christmas tree.
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  21. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...Why one could wish that in every public school, they taught critical thinking. ...Along with, hmm, civics....
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