Satin Proof 1922 Peace Dollar or not??!!

A Proof coin with mirrored fields will absolutely NOT have luster. It has mirrored fields instead of luster. Luster is created by flow lines that develop in the surface of the die as metal that flows across the die slowly erodes the die. A polished die will have no flow lines (or very few anyway).

A Satin Proof (and I suppose a Matte Proof) will have very diminished luster due to the finish. So no cartwheel luster here either.

 

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So, Let's see the coin after it came back from the TPG,

Bruce

 

lol, Doug you and I have had this arguement before. I'm with Bruce, but it is just semantics we are disagreeing on, though.

As for the coin in the thread, it sure doesn't look like a proof to me.

 

Bruce,

No, I have not sent it in! If and when i get around to it, I plan to send it to Leroy Van Allen and see if he can prove my theory that it is a Business Strike 1922-P Peace Dollar which accidentally went through the acid bath with the Satin Proofs minted that year. I feel that any and that includes all of the TPG's would either bodybag the coin or grade the coin without trying to prove my theory and attribute the coin as such. Mr. Allen may be intrigued enough by the coin to enlist a large group of experts and Mint Officials to prove or disprove my theory while any TPG has no interest in doing so!

I have to get someone to send me Mr. Allen's address again for umpteen time as I have misplaced it again. When I get his' address, I will make sure that I send the coin to him this time.

Note: In case some of you forgot, I never said the coin was a Satin Proof. I said that I believe that it is a Business Strike 1922-P Peace Dollar which accidentally went through the acid bath with the Satin Proofs minted that year.


Frank

 

The coin is not a proof. The dies where special made for 1922 High Relief proofs and has differences in detail than a business strike 1922. Here are a few clues, look at the beak. It's not open and doesn't have a long of a crease as the proof, then look at the olive branch, it's connected to the eagle, but there's a space on a proof.

Also we can rule out high relief proof because your coin is not. And your coin has been circulated. Look at the wing feathers on the reverse. In my opinion, based in the facts I know, this 1922 might be oxidized due to the environment it was stored in. An oxidized coin will look soft and dull in luster, or the coin could have been over-dipped and this etched the surface thus removing some of the original metal surface.

The only other thing to point out is the pics don't show the true nature of the coin's surface. Good luck when you send off. I wish it where a 1922 proof for your sake, but I'm sure such is not the case. Another thing, the coin is scratched and only ANACS would detail grade.

 

DoubleDie,

Again, I repeat what I stated in my previous posting, "I never said the coin was a Satin Proof. I said that I believe that it is a Business Strike 1922-P Peace Dollar which accidentally went through the acid bath with the Satin Proofs minted that year"!

Also, I can assure you, that the coin is uncirculated and it's condition and appearance is not due to oxidation, toning, dipping or cleaning! The coin has a dull finish which is somewhat like a dirty Cameo effect but at the same time, shiny Mint luster shows through the dullness. This is same look and effect that you see on the Satin Proofs produced in 1921 and 1922! The coin does not have the extremely dull, sand-blasted look of the Matte Proofs produced in 1921 and 1922.


Frank

 

But there's another fact that you're missing. It could be the pictures, but a 1922 that was accidentally textured, and then scratched, would not have the etching inside the scratch mark because this scratch happened after the etching. Your pictures makes it look like the etching is inside this scratch. I encourage you to look closely inside the contact marks and scratch.

The coins are very rare and people of "etched" business strike 1922 Peace Dollars to make them look like a proof finish. I hope I'm wrong, and I'm just adding my two cents here.

 

Agree about the weakly struck reverse.

 

Difficult to prove that it went through an acid bath with the proofs at the mint, and not an acid bath without the proofs after it left the mint.

 

Hello Everyone. Im new here and I wanted to show you a 1922 Peace silver dollar that my great grandmother left me in 1978 after her passing away. I wanted to ask if anyone here thought that the coin could be a low relief proof struck with a matte finish.

http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f305/kedico/?action=view&current=005-1-1.jpg

http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f305/kedico/?action=view&current=007.jpg

 

may i suggest bigger pic thats a close up

 

really need closer pics

 

Although we do need better pics to know for sure, the chances of it being proof are very small. The 1922 is the most common Peace Dollar with over 51 million standard business strikes minted for circulation. The proofs were made in very small numbers by comparison.

 

that is NOT a satin proof

 

it's cleaned it's no proof.

 

sorry it's not proof

 

CoinFreak, Yes I cleaned it some time ago because it was very dark and dirty looking. But the thing is this coin is much thicker than the other 1922 Peace dollars that my great grandmother left me. That is what got me curious about the coin. I also have a 1902 Morgan that she gave me and some 1936 quarters. The 1922 Peace in the pictures above is 2mm thick. I measured it. Can you explain this for me why the coin is thicker and darker than my other 1922 Peace dollars. Thanks

 

I will have it weighed tommorrow just for curiousity. I also have a 1944 Walking liberty and a 1917 Walking liberty along with several Mercury dimes, Buffalo nickels and 1901 Barber dime and a 1911 Barber dime. Theres many more that were handed down to me and I have had them for years. The 1922 Peace in the pictures above that I am curious about will not shine no matter how many times I rubbed it to get it to shine because the surface is too grainy. When you look at the coin in person you can still see the dark back ground in the rays and the Eagles feathers and also at the top of the crown and in the hair of the lady. On the reversed side of the coin just below the E. PLURIBUS.UNUM where tip of the Rays begin, the coin begins to raise a lot higher than my other 1922 Peace dollars. Maybe it is just a very good strike or something on a coin that had darker metal than the other 1922 Peace dollars. who knows!