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Message:: [QUOTE="Kirkuleez, post: 2256430, member: 36864"]The reason that I asked you to post an image is because there are some telltale signs if it is a SMS coin or just a very nice business strike. With the initial image that you posted it was impossible to make any determination of the method of manufacturer. Now SMS coins are known for 1964 and are thought to all be made by the same die pair (and sold to one dealer). This die pair is known to have rather heavy die polish lines all over the fields. I think that I can see some on the left side of the obverse, but you would need to examine it with a loupe to determine if the lines are die polish lines or remnants of a cleaning. If this is a SMS coin, it would be a great score as there are only about a dozen or so known. These go up in value every time one is sold and the last one (a PCGS SP-67) went for over 16K. I don't see any reason that this wouldn't grade 67 or 68, but it needs to be done by either PCGS or NGC. As much respect as I can have for JT, PCI will never carry the same weight of the big two.[/QUOTE]