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<p>[QUOTE="calcol, post: 4608238, member: 77639"]For those who think pre-TPG days were the good ole days ... nope ... selective memory or good luck. I started with US coins in the early 1980's. As soon as I sold a few, I was done with US coins. Virtually every coin that had been bought from a dealer ... and I bought from many dealers, local and national ... was considered lower grade on selling. It was the beginning of TPGs when I quit. The few PCGS and NGC coins I bought went up nicely in value.</p><p><br /></p><p>So I collected ancients for a while, then for financial reasons gave up the hobby altogether. Started again with US coins in the 2010's, and would not have done so without TPGs.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do believe there has been some gradeflation with TPGs since the early days, but not by much. And some of this is inevitable grade-ratcheting because graded coins can be submitted for re-grading with no risk of them going down in grade. </p><p><br /></p><p>With ten's of millions of coins graded, there will be errors. I've seen slabs with the wrong denomination on them. Wrong grade? Well, could have been a labeling error or coincidence of temporary neuron misfiring of graders. Pointing out errors is fun and interesting, but what really counts is the error rate. I don't know that a large scale study of this has been done and made public.</p><p><br /></p><p>The fact that there are demonstrable errors is compounded by the subjectivity of grading. Add the two together and, yeah, there will be slabs where the coin and label seem well out of whack. Again though, what's the rate on this? What percentage of graded coins fall in this territory? It's pretty low in my (very subjective) experience.</p><p><br /></p><p>We can all find reasons to criticize the major TPGs. I do it on occasion ... I could tell you about my late uncle's Morgan dollar that had been in a paper wrapper for 50 years and came back with an AT label ... so it was dipped by an expert and came back as ... not interested? OK. A lot of this though is bringing our own erroneously perceived objectivity to an activity that is inherently subjective.</p><p><br /></p><p>Keep on posting grading and labeling errors ... fun to see and read, and may help keep TPGs on their toes. But posts of this type are too few and too subjective to prove a lot about TPGs other than they aren't perfect.</p><p><br /></p><p>Cal[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="calcol, post: 4608238, member: 77639"]For those who think pre-TPG days were the good ole days ... nope ... selective memory or good luck. I started with US coins in the early 1980's. As soon as I sold a few, I was done with US coins. Virtually every coin that had been bought from a dealer ... and I bought from many dealers, local and national ... was considered lower grade on selling. It was the beginning of TPGs when I quit. The few PCGS and NGC coins I bought went up nicely in value. So I collected ancients for a while, then for financial reasons gave up the hobby altogether. Started again with US coins in the 2010's, and would not have done so without TPGs. I do believe there has been some gradeflation with TPGs since the early days, but not by much. And some of this is inevitable grade-ratcheting because graded coins can be submitted for re-grading with no risk of them going down in grade. With ten's of millions of coins graded, there will be errors. I've seen slabs with the wrong denomination on them. Wrong grade? Well, could have been a labeling error or coincidence of temporary neuron misfiring of graders. Pointing out errors is fun and interesting, but what really counts is the error rate. I don't know that a large scale study of this has been done and made public. The fact that there are demonstrable errors is compounded by the subjectivity of grading. Add the two together and, yeah, there will be slabs where the coin and label seem well out of whack. Again though, what's the rate on this? What percentage of graded coins fall in this territory? It's pretty low in my (very subjective) experience. We can all find reasons to criticize the major TPGs. I do it on occasion ... I could tell you about my late uncle's Morgan dollar that had been in a paper wrapper for 50 years and came back with an AT label ... so it was dipped by an expert and came back as ... not interested? OK. A lot of this though is bringing our own erroneously perceived objectivity to an activity that is inherently subjective. Keep on posting grading and labeling errors ... fun to see and read, and may help keep TPGs on their toes. But posts of this type are too few and too subjective to prove a lot about TPGs other than they aren't perfect. Cal[/QUOTE]
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