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<p>[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 8138406, member: 91461"]7 from Leu's latest<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie100" alt=":wideyed:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I've three and am still surprised I won that many. Excited to see whatchagot <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie101" alt=":woot:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>I've never bought into the idea that Pyrrhos minted MSCs without his monogram:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1418547[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1418549[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Just like his mentor and friend had done for years before him.</p><p>Here's the Demetrius Poliorketes from today's shipment (the slightly more rare type with the shield lacking pellets between the half circles:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1418550[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>But don't take my word for it, Liampi is the premier source for MSCs and says,</p><p>"He considers these three imprints in connection with the activity of Pyrrhos in Macedonia, when it came to war against Antipater in order to come to the aid of Alexander V. However, <b>Weiser overlooked some crucial elements:</b></p><p><br /></p><p>1) The Macedonian shields depicted on our coins (Series I, Series II, Group 1, Nos. 2 f., 66 f.) And those of Pyrrhos (Plate 6, c) show clearly typological differences. The former belong in a common group, while the coins of Pyrrhos typologically belong to a series of coins of Demetrius Poliorketes (294-288 BC) (Plate 6, a) and Antigonus Gonatas (277-239 BC) ( Table 6, b), which were not considered by Weiser. Instead, Weiser inserts the type to be distinguished between the Demetrios coin and the Pyrrhos coin with lightning on the shield and monogram 3 on the lapel (Nos. 66 f.). However, taking into account the coins of Demetrius, Antigonus and Pyrrhos, there are two embossing series which form a single unit, have no relation to the "anonymous" coinage and also belong to another period.</p><p><br /></p><p>2) The Piloshelm[15] of the Pyrrhos coins (see Table 6, c) does not feature the bush, which, due to its variety, is particularly characteristic of the Alexander's coin (# 1) and the "anonymous" coins (# 2 The laurel wreath on the Pyrrhos coins is also missing, which adorns the calotte, for which an oak wreath [16] frames the entire reverse image.</p><p><br /></p><p>3) The royal title, which was abbreviated to B-A on the "anonymous" coins, appears at the beginning of the 3rd century BC on the shield coins of Demetrios Poliorketes, Antigonus Gonatas and Pyrrhos with BA On the coins of these kings appear new monograms and symbols that do not appear on the "anonymous" (compare u.).</p><p><br /></p><p>4) Furthermore, Weiser does not distinguish between the monograms 14 and 3. However, since the latter lacking the characteristic P of ΠYP-POY, it can hardly be considered a monogram for the name Pyrrhos, but could be due to the theta contained therein (Θ), This can also be interpreted as the abbreviated form of the name ΠYΘ-ΩN (?).</p><p><br /></p><p>5) In addition, lightning cannot be regarded as a typical Molossian symbol, since it appears on the Macedonian coins both as the main motif and as a symbol long before and after this time as a sign of Zeus. [17]</p><p><br /></p><p>15 P. Dintsis, Hellenischelmet Helmets, Rome 1986, p. 57.</p><p>16 As a sign of the Dodona Zeus, cf. P.R. Franke, Die Antiken Coins of Epirus, Wiesbaden 1961, 152 with note. 52-53.</p><p>17 As head-notive, e.g. at Gaebler, cit. 164, 13, etc. (Philip 11th); 169, 4. 6 (Alexander III); 96, 16 (Pella); as an example of 161, 1-2 (Alexander 11); 166, 25-26, etc. (Philipp 11.); 190, 3, etc., (Philipp V.). For the bcling of the lightning on Alexander lll. cf. Plut., Alex. IV, 2."</p><p><br /></p><p>I really appreciate the link though. I've not read Weiser and look forward to it <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/content://com.microsoft.office.officemobile.word/data/user/0/com.microsoft.office.officehubrow/files/copy/clip.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 8138406, member: 91461"]7 from Leu's latest:wideyed::cigar: I've three and am still surprised I won that many. Excited to see whatchagot :woot: I've never bought into the idea that Pyrrhos minted MSCs without his monogram: [ATTACH=full]1418547[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1418549[/ATTACH] Just like his mentor and friend had done for years before him. Here's the Demetrius Poliorketes from today's shipment (the slightly more rare type with the shield lacking pellets between the half circles: [ATTACH=full]1418550[/ATTACH] But don't take my word for it, Liampi is the premier source for MSCs and says, "He considers these three imprints in connection with the activity of Pyrrhos in Macedonia, when it came to war against Antipater in order to come to the aid of Alexander V. However, [B]Weiser overlooked some crucial elements:[/B] 1) The Macedonian shields depicted on our coins (Series I, Series II, Group 1, Nos. 2 f., 66 f.) And those of Pyrrhos (Plate 6, c) show clearly typological differences. The former belong in a common group, while the coins of Pyrrhos typologically belong to a series of coins of Demetrius Poliorketes (294-288 BC) (Plate 6, a) and Antigonus Gonatas (277-239 BC) ( Table 6, b), which were not considered by Weiser. Instead, Weiser inserts the type to be distinguished between the Demetrios coin and the Pyrrhos coin with lightning on the shield and monogram 3 on the lapel (Nos. 66 f.). However, taking into account the coins of Demetrius, Antigonus and Pyrrhos, there are two embossing series which form a single unit, have no relation to the "anonymous" coinage and also belong to another period. 2) The Piloshelm[15] of the Pyrrhos coins (see Table 6, c) does not feature the bush, which, due to its variety, is particularly characteristic of the Alexander's coin (# 1) and the "anonymous" coins (# 2 The laurel wreath on the Pyrrhos coins is also missing, which adorns the calotte, for which an oak wreath [16] frames the entire reverse image. 3) The royal title, which was abbreviated to B-A on the "anonymous" coins, appears at the beginning of the 3rd century BC on the shield coins of Demetrios Poliorketes, Antigonus Gonatas and Pyrrhos with BA On the coins of these kings appear new monograms and symbols that do not appear on the "anonymous" (compare u.). 4) Furthermore, Weiser does not distinguish between the monograms 14 and 3. However, since the latter lacking the characteristic P of ΠYP-POY, it can hardly be considered a monogram for the name Pyrrhos, but could be due to the theta contained therein (Θ), This can also be interpreted as the abbreviated form of the name ΠYΘ-ΩN (?). 5) In addition, lightning cannot be regarded as a typical Molossian symbol, since it appears on the Macedonian coins both as the main motif and as a symbol long before and after this time as a sign of Zeus. [17] 15 P. Dintsis, Hellenischelmet Helmets, Rome 1986, p. 57. 16 As a sign of the Dodona Zeus, cf. P.R. Franke, Die Antiken Coins of Epirus, Wiesbaden 1961, 152 with note. 52-53. 17 As head-notive, e.g. at Gaebler, cit. 164, 13, etc. (Philip 11th); 169, 4. 6 (Alexander III); 96, 16 (Pella); as an example of 161, 1-2 (Alexander 11); 166, 25-26, etc. (Philipp 11.); 190, 3, etc., (Philipp V.). For the bcling of the lightning on Alexander lll. cf. Plut., Alex. IV, 2." I really appreciate the link though. I've not read Weiser and look forward to it :) [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/content://com.microsoft.office.officemobile.word/data/user/0/com.microsoft.office.officehubrow/files/copy/clip.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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