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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;+VGO.DVCKS, post: 6317717, member: 110504&quot;][USER=84905]@Tejas[/USER], your and [USER=109923]@John Conduitt[/USER]&#039;s contributions of the earlier stuff are generally ...Hmm, [USER=77704]@panzerman[/USER], is there some brilliantly German compound adjective for &quot;Blowing My Hair Back&quot;?&nbsp; <b>Anyway, Brilliant</b>.</p><p>But you must know, reading your description of your example of Vladimir I, I kept waiting for you to say something like, &#039;...from [Yep] the Hermitage.&#039;&nbsp; Finding out that, Nope, This is Your Baby made me take a minute to breathe.</p><p>That&#039;s Surreal --but in a Good way!&nbsp; It&#039;s Great that someone of your very apparent level of erudition has it.</p><p>I had to&nbsp; wiki &#039;Tamga,&#039; and found this, from an article that has every appearance of being on the high end of the spectrum for the genre:&nbsp; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamga" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamga" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamga</a></p><p>The article has a little picture of the &quot;Rurikid trident.&quot;&nbsp; Before seeing that, I was wondering if it was bouncing off of late Viking pennies of York (c. earlier-mid-10th century), with ravens as the reverse motif.&nbsp; Oriented the opposite way, you could see the outer prongs of the trident as the wings.</p><p>...<b>Nope!</b>&nbsp; But a fun little experiment.&nbsp; ...Beyond that, I was, and still am, intrigued by the possibility that tamgas, across Eastern Europe and Central Asia, could have contributed to the eventual evolution of medieval European heraldry, and its contemporaneous parallels in the Middle East.&nbsp; ...Yes, this is a speculative &#039;rabbit hole.&#039;&nbsp; But if you&#039;re with me so far, the two strands of visual rhetoric, originating as they respectively did in traditionally rural, even nomadic, largely equestrian cultures, could be cultural &#039;cousins&#039; of eachother. Right, with tamgas as a common grandfather.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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