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<p>[QUOTE="Tejas, post: 6311096, member: 84905"]Wow ... this is worthy of the Ermitage collection.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, the dating doesn't seem to be right. The legend reads:</p><p>(Zar)' i veli(ki) knyas' I(va)n' Ale(kse)vich (Bseya Rusi)</p><p>Tsar and grand prince Ivan Alexevich of all Russia.</p><p><br /></p><p>This would date the coin to the reign of Ivan V (1682-1696).</p><p><br /></p><p>There is a second reason why this coin can't be early: The early gold kopecks were minted with regular dies for silver kopecks. These are not coins stricto sensu, but awards. In any case, your coin was minted with a special obverse die, which fits the flan, while the reverse die doesn't: The dotted rim, the whole style of the image and the missing weapon never appear on regular silver kopecks. </p><p> </p><p>The name kopeck derives from the spear (kop'ye) that the rider wields. On the half-kopecks the rider wields a saber. Strangely, on your coin the rider appears to be unarmed. I have never seen that before.</p><p><br /></p><p>If the above coin was minted in 1613 or shortly thereafter it would look like this:</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2182869" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2182869" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2182869</a></p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1722042" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1722042" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1722042</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a gold copeck of Ivan V. But note that this is a "Novodel", i.e. a restrike/collectors issue of the 19th (?) century:</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=565988" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=565988" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=565988</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Best</p><p>Dirk[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Tejas, post: 6311096, member: 84905"]Wow ... this is worthy of the Ermitage collection. However, the dating doesn't seem to be right. The legend reads: (Zar)' i veli(ki) knyas' I(va)n' Ale(kse)vich (Bseya Rusi) Tsar and grand prince Ivan Alexevich of all Russia. This would date the coin to the reign of Ivan V (1682-1696). There is a second reason why this coin can't be early: The early gold kopecks were minted with regular dies for silver kopecks. These are not coins stricto sensu, but awards. In any case, your coin was minted with a special obverse die, which fits the flan, while the reverse die doesn't: The dotted rim, the whole style of the image and the missing weapon never appear on regular silver kopecks. The name kopeck derives from the spear (kop'ye) that the rider wields. On the half-kopecks the rider wields a saber. Strangely, on your coin the rider appears to be unarmed. I have never seen that before. If the above coin was minted in 1613 or shortly thereafter it would look like this: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2182869[/URL] [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1722042[/URL] Here is a gold copeck of Ivan V. But note that this is a "Novodel", i.e. a restrike/collectors issue of the 19th (?) century: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=565988[/URL] Best Dirk[/QUOTE]
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