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<p>[QUOTE="John Conduitt, post: 6286922, member: 109923"]The most abundant are Peter the Great (Peter I) and Ivan the Terrible (Ivan IV). These are usually very cheap ($1 to $50 at auction). From Ivan onwards, the horseman obverse and legend reverse ('Tsar and Grand Prince [insert name and patronymic here] of all Russia') became the standard and they are incredibly common.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Ivan IV, 1547-1584</b></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249074[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Moscow. 9x11.5mm, 0.28g. TSAR / I KNYAZ / VELIKIY / IVAN (Tsar and Grand Prince Ivan) (Grishin #57)</b>. Note the name Ivan ('IBAH') at the bottom. He ruled from 1535-1547 as Grand Prince of Moscow, and from 1547-1584 as the first Tsar of Russia, so coins after 1547 include the word Tsar (ЦРЬ) and not just Grand Prince (КНЯЗЬ ВЕЛИКИЙ).</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Peter I, 1699</b></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249090[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Moscow. 11mm, 0.28g. TSAR I VE/LIKIY KNY[A/Z] PYOTR [A/LEXEYEVICH/ VSEYA RU/SI] (Tsar and Grand Prince Peter Alexeyevich of All Russia) (Grishin #1625). </b>Again, the name Peter ('ПEMP') is in the last line on this coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>The cheapest of any type will be poorly centred with weak strikes - some can be almost blank. You can pay as little as a dollar (at auction, so plus fees and shipping, making the cheapest about $2.50 shipped). The least I have paid is $5 shipped, but only because I've never wanted to go for a poor quality common coin when you can get a good example for $5 shipped.</p><p><br /></p><p>You want to aim for a horseman with a head, a horse with a head, a mintmark, and the part of the legend on the reverse that names the tsar. The more of these you have, the more it is worth. The quality of the strike is also important.</p><p><br /></p><p>Short-lived tsars will be more expensive, but not always - it depends how many they struck and if they were good quality. False Dmitry I is a lot cheaper and more abundant than False Dmitry II, and yet they both reigned for under a year and False Dmitry II used the same dies as False Dmitry I. (You can only tell by weight - False Dmitry II must be over 0.7g).</p><p><br /></p><p>Before Ivan IV, there was more variety, but Russia hadn't yet formed so the politics and geography are rather confusing. Some of these can go for thousands. They are derived from Golden Horde dangs, so some have blundered Arabic legends.</p><p><br /></p><p><b> Vasiliy II 'the Blind' Denga, 1433</b></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1249069[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Moscow. <b>Silver. </b>0.6g, Point Rim. Rider with a falcon. Imitation of an Arabic inscription (Metz 11).</b></p><p><br /></p><p>Identification is tricky because the obverses are very similar and the reverses have much the same legends but don't fit on the flan - so you have to work with part legends, missing mintmarks and horsemen and horses missing heads. But you can identify most of them.</p><p><br /></p><p>This site <a href="http://silver-copeck.ru/index.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://silver-copeck.ru/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://silver-copeck.ru/index.html</a> is invaluable for identification, with precise drawings of the obverse and reverse dies (and you need to be precise!). Your browser will translate the website, but being familiar with the 33 letters of the Cyrillic alphabet (and a few archaic ones like omega Ѡ and yus Ѧ) might help decipher the coins <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script</a>. Still, if all you can do is recognise fragments of the phrases <i>Tsar and Grand Prince</i> (ЦРЬ I BEЛИKI KHSЬ, ‘Tsar i veliki knyaz’) and <i>of All Russia</i> (BCEѦ PУСI, ‘Vseya Rusi’) you have it nailed.</p><p><br /></p><p>That website also has a rarity index that might indicate which ones are more valuable - where 1 is very rare and 9 is common. (If no number is given I believe this means it is rated 10, the most abundant).</p><p><br /></p><p>For older (and much more expensive) Russian coins, <i>Russian coins 1353-1533 </i>is a good reference: <a href="https://www.academia.edu/39159505/Huletski_Petrunin_Fishman_Russian_coins_1353_1533_?fbclid=IwAR3O8ifYvIgYr7zcv4VZ3-1wLrKSO-4Wcyk32v7iLxJ42trA3AswM9jF05s" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/39159505/Huletski_Petrunin_Fishman_Russian_coins_1353_1533_?fbclid=IwAR3O8ifYvIgYr7zcv4VZ3-1wLrKSO-4Wcyk32v7iLxJ42trA3AswM9jF05s" rel="nofollow">https://www.academia.edu/39159505/H...zcv4VZ3-1wLrKSO-4Wcyk32v7iLxJ42trA3AswM9jF05s</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I wrote about some of them here:</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/3-guys-named-false-dmitry-and-the-terrible-coins-of-ivan-the-terrible.373573/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/3-guys-named-false-dmitry-and-the-terrible-coins-of-ivan-the-terrible.373573/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/3-guys-named-false-dmitry-and-the-terrible-coins-of-ivan-the-terrible.373573/</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="John Conduitt, post: 6286922, member: 109923"]The most abundant are Peter the Great (Peter I) and Ivan the Terrible (Ivan IV). These are usually very cheap ($1 to $50 at auction). From Ivan onwards, the horseman obverse and legend reverse ('Tsar and Grand Prince [insert name and patronymic here] of all Russia') became the standard and they are incredibly common. [B]Ivan IV, 1547-1584[/B] [ATTACH=full]1249074[/ATTACH] [B]Moscow. 9x11.5mm, 0.28g. TSAR / I KNYAZ / VELIKIY / IVAN (Tsar and Grand Prince Ivan) (Grishin #57)[/B]. Note the name Ivan ('IBAH') at the bottom. He ruled from 1535-1547 as Grand Prince of Moscow, and from 1547-1584 as the first Tsar of Russia, so coins after 1547 include the word Tsar (ЦРЬ) and not just Grand Prince (КНЯЗЬ ВЕЛИКИЙ). [B]Peter I, 1699[/B] [ATTACH=full]1249090[/ATTACH] [B]Moscow. 11mm, 0.28g. TSAR I VE/LIKIY KNY[A/Z] PYOTR [A/LEXEYEVICH/ VSEYA RU/SI] (Tsar and Grand Prince Peter Alexeyevich of All Russia) (Grishin #1625). [/B]Again, the name Peter ('ПEMP') is in the last line on this coin. The cheapest of any type will be poorly centred with weak strikes - some can be almost blank. You can pay as little as a dollar (at auction, so plus fees and shipping, making the cheapest about $2.50 shipped). The least I have paid is $5 shipped, but only because I've never wanted to go for a poor quality common coin when you can get a good example for $5 shipped. You want to aim for a horseman with a head, a horse with a head, a mintmark, and the part of the legend on the reverse that names the tsar. The more of these you have, the more it is worth. The quality of the strike is also important. Short-lived tsars will be more expensive, but not always - it depends how many they struck and if they were good quality. False Dmitry I is a lot cheaper and more abundant than False Dmitry II, and yet they both reigned for under a year and False Dmitry II used the same dies as False Dmitry I. (You can only tell by weight - False Dmitry II must be over 0.7g). Before Ivan IV, there was more variety, but Russia hadn't yet formed so the politics and geography are rather confusing. Some of these can go for thousands. They are derived from Golden Horde dangs, so some have blundered Arabic legends. [B] Vasiliy II 'the Blind' Denga, 1433[/B] [ATTACH=full]1249069[/ATTACH] [B]Moscow. [B]Silver. [/B]0.6g, Point Rim. Rider with a falcon. Imitation of an Arabic inscription (Metz 11).[/B] Identification is tricky because the obverses are very similar and the reverses have much the same legends but don't fit on the flan - so you have to work with part legends, missing mintmarks and horsemen and horses missing heads. But you can identify most of them. This site [URL]http://silver-copeck.ru/index.html[/URL] is invaluable for identification, with precise drawings of the obverse and reverse dies (and you need to be precise!). Your browser will translate the website, but being familiar with the 33 letters of the Cyrillic alphabet (and a few archaic ones like omega Ѡ and yus Ѧ) might help decipher the coins [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillic_script[/URL]. Still, if all you can do is recognise fragments of the phrases [I]Tsar and Grand Prince[/I] (ЦРЬ I BEЛИKI KHSЬ, ‘Tsar i veliki knyaz’) and [I]of All Russia[/I] (BCEѦ PУСI, ‘Vseya Rusi’) you have it nailed. That website also has a rarity index that might indicate which ones are more valuable - where 1 is very rare and 9 is common. (If no number is given I believe this means it is rated 10, the most abundant). For older (and much more expensive) Russian coins, [I]Russian coins 1353-1533 [/I]is a good reference: [URL='https://www.academia.edu/39159505/Huletski_Petrunin_Fishman_Russian_coins_1353_1533_?fbclid=IwAR3O8ifYvIgYr7zcv4VZ3-1wLrKSO-4Wcyk32v7iLxJ42trA3AswM9jF05s']https://www.academia.edu/39159505/H...zcv4VZ3-1wLrKSO-4Wcyk32v7iLxJ42trA3AswM9jF05s[/URL] I wrote about some of them here: [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/3-guys-named-false-dmitry-and-the-terrible-coins-of-ivan-the-terrible.373573/[/URL][/QUOTE]
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