Russian Wire Money

Can anyone read Russian?

Trying to identify this coin (sellers pics, no idea of weight)

 

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Not a clue, got one on the way of Ivan the Terrible though. Weight for it is listed at .6g.

 

I tried matching it with the text on mine but got no matches.

So it was not a match for

Ivan the terrible
Feodor I
Michael I
Peter the Great

 

Thanks Orfew. Possibly Tsar Ivan III Vasiljevich, circa 1479-1490. But I really don't know what I am reading.

http://www.metaldetectingworld.com/photogalary/wire_ money/pages/01_denga_ivanIII.htm

 

I got one @Pishpash , just because. And, I know little about them.

This one is Peter the Great, but I want an Ivan the Terrible like @Mat ...


Russia
Peter the Great
AR Kopek 1682-1725
Wire Money
Obv: Horse Rider
Rev: Great Tsar Peter
11.1mm 0.27g

 

I've seen these before, they're Russian Kopeks, do a quick search on VCoins.

 

I think yours is a kopeck Ivan IV as Tsar. Ivan's more common coins are smaller denga as Grand Duke and have different legends. Centering makes these hard to compare since the dies were twice the size of the flans and different ones show different parts of the whole. Mine is different but both show some letters in common. Kopecks show the horseman with a spear while denga (second below is an Ivan IV as Grand Duke) shows a sword. When you buy these you have to decide what part of the design is important to you. The first below has a nice horse head and clear crown; the second was for sword and legends.

 

Thanks everyone. Ivan the great would be cool. I looked on Vcoins but couldn't find a match. It is part of a lot, things might be clearer when it is in hand.

 

Please, lets call him Ivan the Misunderstood. Compared to his peer group he was not so bad. OK, he was hard on the nobility but they were no class acts either. From Wikipedia:
"Ivan was an able diplomat, a patron of arts and trade, and founder of the Moscow Print Yard, Russia's first publishing house. He was popular among Russia's commoners (see Ivan the Terrible in Russian folklore), but he is also noted for his paranoia and harsh treatment of the Russian nobility."

 

Ivan the Misunderstood it is then

 

"The Terrible" has a better ring to it.

 

I've heard of this type of currency referred to as fishscale money, because the coins' shape resembles fish scales in shape. Anyone ever heard that term used?

 

That term turned up during my google searches.

 

What is this "wire money" you speak of? Can you explain what that is, and/or why it is called that?

 

i just posted one of these in the recent "strange coin" thread, here's a couple more I have...

a kopek ..




and a denga..

 

When I know how much it weighs, I might have a better idea of the denomination. I will post the details when I know.

 

@physics-fan3.14 i believe the flans (or should we call them planchets?) were made from pieces of silver wire that were cut to size, then hammered on dies that were BIG for the coin. that's why most of the stuff legends are "off flan".

i think yours is a kopek pish.

 

Physics, some of the others might chime in, whilst you are waiting....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denga

 

here's a denga of ivan with a dime for scale...

 

If only I knew what a dime looked like. Sigh.