Russian "whopper coppers" (5-kopek pieces): huge, fun coins from the 1700s that won't break the bank

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  1. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I couldn't imagine having to carry all of those around to actually make purchases. I think my pants would be constantly falling down from such heavy pockets.
     
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  3. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I bought a couple bulk lots of these in the 90's (maybe from Frank Robinson) and paid about $4-5 each (I have another 5-6 that aren't in the picture). I used to sell the duplicates for $6-7 at my local coin club, so even though the condition isn't as nice as others posted, it turned out to be a very inexpensive collection.

    As for being big and heavy, I have them in paper 2x2 envelopes. They don't fit in cardboard 2x2s or saf-flips (I can get them in, but have to cut the flip to get them out :facepalm:). I also have a number of long 2x2 boxes for storage and it's easy to find the one with the 5 kopeks, even without looking at the label. Just find the one that's significantly heavier than anything else :happy:
     
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  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Man, I'd buy these all day long for $4-7!
     
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  5. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    I have only one of these coins:

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    Russia 5 Kopeks 1779 Catherine II (Catherine the Great)
    Copper, 40 mm, 50.01 gm

    :)
     
  6. emdems

    emdems New Member

    These pictures are great - thank you!
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Really. I mean, you’d have to resort to a sack or something, wouldn’t you? More than a couple of those things, and pockets would be out of the question!

    Which begs the question of whether or not pockets were even a thing, in 18th century Russia?

    But hey, if you were being menaced by wolves, you could always throw your coins at them! And if you had a slingshot, these would be deadly ammo indeed...
     
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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Bag full of 5 Kopeks is better than a sock full of nickels any day.
     
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  10. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    I own a couple of dozen of them from various dates and mints. I recently had to re-holder them because as noted they don't fit in 2*2 flips - I'd really like to find coin envelopes to put them in.

    I don't believe they jangled in pockets, these were more likely carried in a little cloth sack.
     
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  11. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    I have two of these monster coins. They're so crude that they're neat to own. These started showing up right after the USSR dissolved. They must have been stashed somewhere in Russia. I'm surprised they survived under Stalin and his gang. Does anyone know where they came from? I know they are Russian but, were they in some bank vault or dug up somewhere? Someone had them in a safe place because I don't thing they would have survived.
     
  12. offa the saxon

    offa the saxon Well-Known Member

    The whole series of these coins are quite crude
     
  13. offa the saxon

    offa the saxon Well-Known Member


    I bought a single coin case for mine from fleabay
     
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  14. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I wonder what the buying power of these massive coins was. If I find a contemporary gold or silver ruble, and get current melt value, I arrive at anywhere between $25 and $60.
    Idk if that’s a very good way to “convert” old money though
     
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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I don’t know where most of the ones on the collector market came from, but Sergei of Metal Detecting World (one of the best- if not the best- digger blogs on the web), has found them. He is Russian by birth, I believe, but lives in America, and has found many amazing things on both continents, and told the stories in superb detail. I heartily recommend his site if you like true treasure tales and adventures.
     
  16. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Here is my whopper copper:
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  17. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Coin collecting in the USSR was generally frowned upon. If you had gold or silver coins particularly. The authorities generally looked the other way with older especially bronze coins etc. That said I know people that were collecting coins back in the 1980s, even gold and silver.

    When I was there I came across people looking to sell the Nicholas II gold 5 rubles coins - wanted dollars only - no rubles. I didn't buy any - concerned about fakes. But I even managed to "sneak" a few older 18th century coins out. Even now it is illegal to export any item over 100 years old out of the country - but like everything in Russia just because it is the law doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    So in essence, it is not legal to export the pyatakii - but they are probably still slipping out of the country - but I am more than sure quite a few are going back to Russia as collecting coins is a whole new thing for people with more disposable income than before - as auction prices of Russian numismatics demonstrate.
     
  18. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    Oh yes coin collecting seems to be becoming a big thing in russia, they have even started their own grading company now... RNGA... kinda like their slabs to be honest... even found a 5 kopek in one lol...
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  19. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    The "fun" thing about slabbing the pyatakii is that they are varying thicknesses, diametres etc. I need to get mine out and take a pic.
     
  20. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    I'm not going to hijack the thread by posting mine but here is a link to my NGC graded set:

    https://coins.www.collectors-society.com/registry/coins/SetListing.aspx?PeopleSetID=196284

    These things caught my attention hard and then I got sucked into the registry game. Fortunately, most of these were purchased together in one lot.

    Here is one of my favorites. There is a way off-center strike and you can see remnants of a coin that was over-struck.

    Rus1763CNM01.jpg
     
  21. 1865King

    1865King Well-Known Member

    I've noticed the market for Russian coins has been hot for a long time. I suspect it's the Russian's trying to rebuild their history. After being under the thumb of the USSR I'm sure people want to get a piece of the past. Russian coins sell for high prices. There must have been some type of stash of these big coppers. Large numbers of them entered the market in the 90's. Even today you can still find them at a low price.
     
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