Russian gold medals by the Moscow Mint, What's going on here?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Insider, Jul 28, 2020.

  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

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    I took this image from an old auction. The medal seems to be slabbed (?) as genuine by a Russian grading service. I have an identical medal EXCEPT for a small MACCP on the reverse at 5 o'clock. The tiny letters appear to be on the die rather than stamped into the finished coin.

    The coin above is said to be 10g and 20mm. My piece is 9.9 g (close enough) but 25mm. I'll be taking a specific gravity and a photo of the tiny ltrs.
     
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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Hmmmmmmmmmmm
     
  4. Insider

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  5. ddddd

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    What you have is "мдссср"

    ("D" not "A")

    I can't figure out exactly why your example has it but the other does not (maybe a restrike from the late 1980s vs the original being made in 1965). I found some related items in the links below:

    http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2014/12/04/post-27255-0-72761900-1417716967.jpg

    http://coins.su/forum/uploads/2014/12/04/post-27255-0-59315100-1417716954.jpg

    And a different one (like pictured in the above links) that sold on Heritage (note the HA example is 10 grams and 25mm plus it has the same "мдссср").
    https://coins.ha.com/itm/russia/russia-ussr-andrei-rublev-gold-medal-1960-ms65-ngc-/a/3067-34981.s
     
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  6. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Also found this:
    http://gxseries.com/numis/rus_new_type/soviet_posters.htm

    "During the mid Soviet eras, perhaps around 1970s, the Soviet-German venture Mezhnumizmatika was formed so that it could sell numismatic related goods to the Western nations for hard currencies. Mezhnumizmatika is better known for selling restruck proof Soviet rubles, or rather novodels that were struck prior to 1987. "

    So I'm leaning towards this being a restrike of the original.

    @gxseries is the website above your work and would you know anything about Insider's example?
     
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  7. Robidoux Pass

    Robidoux Pass Well-Known Member

    The "мдссср" looks like two words: мд ссср. If it were мИд ссср, it would be Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the USSR,
     
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  8. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    That's pretty interesting. Has been a while since I've seen my own site!

    Don't appreciate how coins.su just copied off my images.

    It could just be moneti dvor for MD. Just my thoughts. I don't see MMD (Moscow mint mark)
     
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  9. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Nice coin thanks
     
  10. Kentucky

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  11. Siberian Man

    Siberian Man Senior Member Moderator

    Hello gentlemen:) I have never saw such medal before. Moreover, I would say that is not classic Soviet but modern style. Is it modern medal? Well... I don't know. But I don't feel an old style.
     
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  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Medals as this are all over the Internet slabbed by NGC and PCGS. We have not pulled the trigger yet because of some discrepancies such as the subject of this discussion.
     
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