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<p>[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 8235965, member: 91461"]Here we have my latest acquisition, one of my very favorite types of ancients, a beautiful, stunning to my eyes, and very mysterious coin with more questions than answers.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448889[/ATTACH]</p><p><b><u>Q. Crepereius M.f. Rocus</u></b> (69 BC). AR serratus denarius (19mm, 1h). NGC Choice Fine, bankers marks. Rome. Draped bust of Amphitrite right, seen from behind; sea anemone (erroneously listed as an oenochoe by Heritage) left, I right / Q•CREPER•M•F / ROCVS, Neptune driving biga of hippocamps right, brandishing trident in right hand, reins in left; I above. Crawford 399/1b. Sydenham 796. Crepereia 1. Ex: CNG 261 lot 239 Aug 2011, Auctiones GMBH #67 March 2020, Purchased from Heritage Feb 2022. From the Werner Collection.</p><p><br /></p><p>Who were the Crepereius?</p><p>To what event are they eluding on the coin??</p><p>And my favorite question, who is the beauty being portrayed on the coin's obverse???</p><p>She is most commonly referred to as Amphitrite who's Roman counterpart is Salacia. Though, the Roman version was considered <i>watered down </i>compared to the Greek. This is a Roman coin and the reverse is always described as Neptune, not Poseidon... So, why do almost all major references list her as Amphitrite and not Salacia?</p><p>The coin has a very notably Greek and not Roman style about it, which maybe what causes the name change. But who knows?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448827[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Here the couple are, presumably, in a beefed up version of Neptune's ride shown on the coins reverse)</p><p><br /></p><p>Andrew McCabe (who knows a lot more than I do about ancients) believes it more likely a pairing of Neptune with Venus. But for my 2 cents, her hair looks wet on the coin and all of the control marks behind the beauty's head are sea creatures. So, I am going with the consensus here that this is of the wife of Poseidon Amphitrite, or as the Roman's would view it, Neptune's wifey Salacia.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448888[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Why does nobody ever notice the mustachioed fish below)</p><p><br /></p><p>Amphitrite was one of 100 daughters of Nereus and Doris. Making her both an Oceanid and Nereid. Poseidon saw her and her sisters dancing on the isle of Naxos and was smitten. However, she refused his proposal of marriage in hopes of saving her chastity. She fled to Atlas, but was either convinced to go back or retrieved by a dolphin (no, not a seaman) and brought back to Poseidon. The dolphin was made into a constellation for it's services.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448828[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>After the wedding Amphitrite seemed to simmer down and take to her godly hubby and enjoyed the perks of being queen of the sea. Her offspring included dolphins and seals! They even had Spongebob's good buddy Triton as their merman son <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie59" alt=":joyful:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448830[/ATTACH]</p><p>(geeee, a happy ending)</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is my first coin of this type with the crab and letter "C" control marks (that's right. I am going to try to catch every critter in the sea a total of 10 different controls. Sea below<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448831[/ATTACH]</p><p><b><u>Creperius, Rocus</u></b></p><p>Denarius. 68 BC. Uncertain mint. (Ffc-657). (Craw-399-1b). (Cal-522). Obv: Bust of the back of the Sea Goddess to the right, C to the right, to the left crab. Rev .: Neptune with trident, in biga pulled by hippocampi to the right, below Q CREPER M (F) / ROCVS. Ag. 3.61 g. Usually struck off center. Very scarce. VF.</p><p>Ex: Tauler & Fau</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448834[/ATTACH]Borrowed from [USER=56859]@TIF[/USER] 's amazing write up and coin on the type, found here: <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/yeehah-giddyup-seahorsey.285894/#post-2558565" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/yeehah-giddyup-seahorsey.285894/#post-2558565">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/yeehah-giddyup-seahorsey.285894/#post-2558565</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Sadly, some dork thought it would be cool to lock her away from me. Like Neptune, I sent my fastest dolphin to rescue her and bring her into my hands:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448835[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1448836[/ATTACH]</p><p>(Look at that saweet toning. Couldn't see that when she was locked away)</p><p><br /></p><p>A short story on researching her: While looking for more information on the sea anemone type (Heritage erroneously listed the item behind her as an oenochoe. OUCH! Poor job identifying your coins Heritage. I would hardly call an oenochoe (drinking vessel) a sea critter) I found that the coin was up for sale a couple years ago by Auctiones GMBH pre being entombed. And I kept digging and found it was sold 11 years ago from CNG! To top it off Heritage sold it as part of the Werner collection (anyone know who that is?). Not a bad little provenance she is starting to build. Not only that, but CNG rightly listed it as a sea anemone (kudos to CNG and [USER=79368]@Barry Murphy[/USER] for getting it correct).</p><p>So this little cutie was sold by CNG, correctly ID'd, and then a decade later someone else sent it back to them to have them put it in plastic only to be miss identified by a major firm once they got it back and sold it!</p><p><br /></p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]9AUEjzVQwKo[/MEDIA]</p><p><br /></p><p>So please, show us your sea critters, Poseidon, Amphitrite, Neptune, Salacia, most beautiful RRs, ancient mysteries or anything that takes you under the sea.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ryro, post: 8235965, member: 91461"]Here we have my latest acquisition, one of my very favorite types of ancients, a beautiful, stunning to my eyes, and very mysterious coin with more questions than answers. [ATTACH=full]1448889[/ATTACH] [B][U]Q. Crepereius M.f. Rocus[/U][/B] (69 BC). AR serratus denarius (19mm, 1h). NGC Choice Fine, bankers marks. Rome. Draped bust of Amphitrite right, seen from behind; sea anemone (erroneously listed as an oenochoe by Heritage) left, I right / Q•CREPER•M•F / ROCVS, Neptune driving biga of hippocamps right, brandishing trident in right hand, reins in left; I above. Crawford 399/1b. Sydenham 796. Crepereia 1. Ex: CNG 261 lot 239 Aug 2011, Auctiones GMBH #67 March 2020, Purchased from Heritage Feb 2022. From the Werner Collection. Who were the Crepereius? To what event are they eluding on the coin?? And my favorite question, who is the beauty being portrayed on the coin's obverse??? She is most commonly referred to as Amphitrite who's Roman counterpart is Salacia. Though, the Roman version was considered [I]watered down [/I]compared to the Greek. This is a Roman coin and the reverse is always described as Neptune, not Poseidon... So, why do almost all major references list her as Amphitrite and not Salacia? The coin has a very notably Greek and not Roman style about it, which maybe what causes the name change. But who knows? [ATTACH=full]1448827[/ATTACH] (Here the couple are, presumably, in a beefed up version of Neptune's ride shown on the coins reverse) Andrew McCabe (who knows a lot more than I do about ancients) believes it more likely a pairing of Neptune with Venus. But for my 2 cents, her hair looks wet on the coin and all of the control marks behind the beauty's head are sea creatures. So, I am going with the consensus here that this is of the wife of Poseidon Amphitrite, or as the Roman's would view it, Neptune's wifey Salacia. [ATTACH=full]1448888[/ATTACH] (Why does nobody ever notice the mustachioed fish below) Amphitrite was one of 100 daughters of Nereus and Doris. Making her both an Oceanid and Nereid. Poseidon saw her and her sisters dancing on the isle of Naxos and was smitten. However, she refused his proposal of marriage in hopes of saving her chastity. She fled to Atlas, but was either convinced to go back or retrieved by a dolphin (no, not a seaman) and brought back to Poseidon. The dolphin was made into a constellation for it's services. [ATTACH=full]1448828[/ATTACH] After the wedding Amphitrite seemed to simmer down and take to her godly hubby and enjoyed the perks of being queen of the sea. Her offspring included dolphins and seals! They even had Spongebob's good buddy Triton as their merman son :joyful: [ATTACH=full]1448830[/ATTACH] (geeee, a happy ending) Here is my first coin of this type with the crab and letter "C" control marks (that's right. I am going to try to catch every critter in the sea a total of 10 different controls. Sea below;) [ATTACH=full]1448831[/ATTACH] [B][U]Creperius, Rocus[/U][/B] Denarius. 68 BC. Uncertain mint. (Ffc-657). (Craw-399-1b). (Cal-522). Obv: Bust of the back of the Sea Goddess to the right, C to the right, to the left crab. Rev .: Neptune with trident, in biga pulled by hippocampi to the right, below Q CREPER M (F) / ROCVS. Ag. 3.61 g. Usually struck off center. Very scarce. VF. Ex: Tauler & Fau [ATTACH=full]1448834[/ATTACH]Borrowed from [USER=56859]@TIF[/USER] 's amazing write up and coin on the type, found here: [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/yeehah-giddyup-seahorsey.285894/#post-2558565[/URL] Sadly, some dork thought it would be cool to lock her away from me. Like Neptune, I sent my fastest dolphin to rescue her and bring her into my hands: [ATTACH=full]1448835[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1448836[/ATTACH] (Look at that saweet toning. Couldn't see that when she was locked away) A short story on researching her: While looking for more information on the sea anemone type (Heritage erroneously listed the item behind her as an oenochoe. OUCH! Poor job identifying your coins Heritage. I would hardly call an oenochoe (drinking vessel) a sea critter) I found that the coin was up for sale a couple years ago by Auctiones GMBH pre being entombed. And I kept digging and found it was sold 11 years ago from CNG! To top it off Heritage sold it as part of the Werner collection (anyone know who that is?). Not a bad little provenance she is starting to build. Not only that, but CNG rightly listed it as a sea anemone (kudos to CNG and [USER=79368]@Barry Murphy[/USER] for getting it correct). So this little cutie was sold by CNG, correctly ID'd, and then a decade later someone else sent it back to them to have them put it in plastic only to be miss identified by a major firm once they got it back and sold it! [MEDIA=youtube]9AUEjzVQwKo[/MEDIA] So please, show us your sea critters, Poseidon, Amphitrite, Neptune, Salacia, most beautiful RRs, ancient mysteries or anything that takes you under the sea.[/QUOTE]
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