Ruined Anicents by Fake Toning

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mat, May 29, 2016.

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  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That toning looks like gasoline on water...
     
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  4. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Wow, those are pretty bad!
     
  5. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Is that what we're calling it now, "aggressively toned"? :)
     
  6. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Looks like there are people determined to bring all the bad habits of US coin collecting to ancient coins. First it was slabs and the commodity/investment mindset that comes with them, now it's artificial rainbow toning. What's next, CAC stickers on ancient slabbed coins?

    I hope if anyone buys those coins they'll soak them in lemon juice and strip that fake toning off of those unfortunate coins.
     
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  7. Magnus Maximus

    Magnus Maximus Dulce et Decorum est....

    Shhh
    Let's not give the buggers any ideas!
     
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  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Talk about over-hyped selling techniques... And awful overgrading...:hungover:

    Monster-toned ancients should not exist!
     
  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Hmm, Although I didn't check out every coin listed, they seem to be given a provenance of a Dr. Eucharius Rosslin 1470-1526.....and some I assume would have 'naturally' achieved that toning if stored for all those years in the past not to mention wherever they have been since then????

    Are they all recent/modern artificially aggressive additions???

    And isn't it possible the gold toning may even be a 'electum' effect...or simply small amounts of melted gold residue remaining in the 'melting pots' combining with the original silver when the flans were created...or am I completely off-base again LOL

    I must confess overhyped selling techniques are getting old.....no matter what they are.
     
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  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Oh, the humanity........how could it have happened? Someone looking to cash in on a trend? I didn't think you ancient guys had toned coins..........throw the bollick over the side.
     
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  11. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I dont see that kind of toning being natural, I dont care how many hundreds of years.

    I admit to hanging on the PCGS boards alot, one thing I read alot over the years in the u.s. forum is the toning threads and seeing what the fake toning looks like. Those PCGS guys know alot about toning!

    These ancients are fake toned and match many I have seen on the PCGS boards.

    Im sure a search here will yield fake tones on the u.s. forum here and you get a idea of what they look like over natural.
     
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  12. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    That providence has got to be fake. It would be one of the oldest provenances ever recorded for a coin, if not the oldest.
     
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  13. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    $130,000.00 REALLY???
     
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  14. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

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  15. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Is the JC aureus a smoothed reincarnation of NAC 83 406? Which sold for $320,000 + in 2015? If so, what gives offering it at $130k now?

    Here are the two coins next to each other for comparison. I know the flans look different, but I think the eBay pic has a poorly-painted background. I think they're the same coin, except the right obverse field, the nose of the bust, and the cheek have been smoothed on the eBay version...

    jc aur 2.jpg jz aur 1.jpg
     
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  16. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I think you are 100% correct. The flan chips and spacing seem absolutely identical except the probable smoothing....

    Why indeed the vast price difference???
     
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  17. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    The right field of the obverse on the seller pic is smoothed too, no hits like the top one.
     
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  18. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    You would think that if a seller was asking $130,000 for a coin, they would have something to say about the provenance.
     
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  19. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's actually a pretty good price for the coin, if it's the one I'm thinking it is. But I would start by offering $100,000, just on principle. :)
     
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  20. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Wow, I almost googled it just for a quick read. I didn't look at the description but isn't that a relatively small coin?
     
  21. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Yes, and only ten specimens known. Scroll down the auction listing to read the history - it's a pretty good write-up.
     
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