Rome's ignominious "fabled" beginnings...or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Plenty, if not most, nations have some disgraceful beginnings. But nobody celebrated, and more than likely out and out embellished, shameful beginnings like the Roman's.
    I posted a hoard that I recently received from Timeline auctions of some funderful "ugly" coins. But I snuck in one RR denarius.
    Leave it to the Roman's to turn an event like what they did to their neighbors, the Sabines, as a revenge of the nerdsesque panty raid.
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    L Titurius L f Sabinus

    - Rape of the Sabine Women Denarius
    89 BC. Rome mint. Obv: bare head of King Tatius right, bearded, SABIN behind, palm-branch before. Rev: two Roman soldiers running, each bearing a Sabine woman in his arms; L TITVRI in exergue. Craw. 344/1b; Syd. 698; RSC Tituria 2; Sear 249. 3.76 grams.
    Near very fine.
    Ex: Timeline Auction

    Or to go back to their made up beginning, being driven from their homeland by the superior Greeks:
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    Julius Caesar, †44 BC. Denarius fouree, Africa, 47-46 BC. AR 3.84 g. Diademed head of Venus r. Rev. CAESAR Aeneas running l., carrying his father Anchises on his l. shoulder, holding palladium on his outstretched r. hand. Cr. 458/1. Syd. 1013.

    Or how about your founder being fed by a K9 and then committing fratricide!?
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    CONSTANTINE I THE GREAT(306-337). Commemorative series. Follis. Kyzikos.Obv: VRBS ROMA. Helmeted and cuirassed bust of Roma left.Rev: SMKE. She-wolf standing left, suckling the twins Romulus and Remus; two stars above.RIC 91.


    Post those coins of Rome's notorious beginning, their enemies ignominious starts or whatever you think is ridiculous to celebrate!
     
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  3. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    Another inglorious founding myth... Mars takes advantage of the sleeping Rhea Silvia, a sacred Vestal Virgin sworn to celibacy. As a result of this act of rape, Rhea Silvia becomes the mother of the twins Romulus and Remus.

    Antoninus Pius - As Mars Rhea Silvia 2018.jpg ANTONINUS PIUS
    AE As. 11.34g, 27.8mm. Rome mint, AD 140 AD. RIC 694a. O: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P, laureate head right. R: TR POT COS III SC, Mars right, holding spear and shield, descending through the air toward sleeping Rhea Silvia.
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    How do you celebrate your nation's 1000th anniversary? You issue a series of coins for your wife with a hippo on the reverse, of course!

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    Otacilia Severa SAECVLARES AVGG Sestertius.jpg
     
  5. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one step at a time Supporter

    ...and speaking of founding, according to legend the founding of Rome was April 21, 753 BC. Today, April 21, 2019, is the 2772nd Anniversary of the founding of Rome (ab urbe condita or AUC).
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    Here's a coin to celebrate - with the irony that it was issued as Constantine moved the center of the empire to Constantinople ~330 AD.

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    Commemorative Series Struck under Constantine I, AD 333-334
    Æ Follis
    Obv: Helmeted and mantled bust of Roma left
    Rev: She-wolf standing left, suckling the twins Romulus and Remus; palm between two stars above
     
  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    There are many wolf and twins coins but moneyer Sextus Pompeius Faustlus added his ancestor the shepherd who discovered the twins under the tree. My coin is mediocre losing the cognomen and two of the three owls in the tree. his is a type that needs a full flan more than it needs to be high grade.
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    I don't mean to be pedantic -- or worse, a mansplainer -- but ...

    ... there was no year zero in the anno Domini system used to number years in the Gregorian calendar and in its predecessor, the Julian calendar. In this system, the year 1 BC is followed by AD 1. So, it has been 2771 years, not 2772.
     
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  8. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one step at a time Supporter

    LOL @Roman Collector - I had to look up "mansplainer", and with a healthy fear of entering the realm of mansplaining, I think it is that the Roman's didn't have a year 0 AUC, not the need for a 0 between AD and BC that explains. We celebrate the "New Year" 2772 AUC this year (rather than anniversary), clearly there is a difference between 1000 years old and starting my 1000th year that isn't carefully attended to ;)

    • AUC 1 = 753 BC
    • AUC 753 = 1 BC
    • AUC 754 = AD 1
    • AUC 2772 = AD 2019
    Correiera della Sera, "Campidoglio, mostre, visite guidate e concerti per il 2772esimo Natale di Roma".
     
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  9. NormW

    NormW Student Of Coinology Supporter

    Happy Rome Day!
     
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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Cool coins @Ryro ! Great idea...

    RR Titurius Sabinus 89 BCE AR Den Tarpeia buried shields S 251 Cr 344-2a.jpg
    RR Titurius Sabinus 89 BCE AR Den Tarpeia buried shields S 251 Cr 344-2a


    RR L TITURIUS LF SABINUS AR Denarius Rape of Sabines 89 BCE Sear 249 Craw 344-1a.JPG
    RR L TITURIUS LF SABINUS AR Denarius Rape of Sabines 89 BCE Sear 249 Craw 344-1a


    RR Sextus Pompeius 137 BCE AR Den She-Wolf Rom Rem S112 Cr 235-1a.jpg
    RR Sextus Pompeius 137 BCE AR Den She-Wolf Rom Rem S112 Cr 235-1a


    RR Satrienus 77 BCE AR Denarius Mars She Wolf Sear 319 Craw 388-1.jpg
    RR Satrienus 77 BCE AR Denarius Mars She Wolf Sear 319 Craw 388-1


    RR M Furius LF Philus AR Denarius 119 BCE Janus Sear 156.jpg
    RR M Furius LF Philus AR Denarius 119 BCE Janus Sear 156
     
  11. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    I know they aren't that unusual, but I'm a proud owner of an ancient with a She-Wolf, with Romulus and Remus. One, later to commit fratricide, the other his victim. That didn't bode well for Rome !!!
     
  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Well, rather than pontificating and never posting a coin, here are some pics:

    RR Anon AE Sextans 217-215 BCE She-Wolf Twins Eagle Syd 95 Cr 39-3 S 609 Scarce.JPG
    RR Anon AE Sextans 217-215 BCE She-Wolf Twins Eagle Syd 95 Cr 39-3 S 609 Scarce


    RI commem AE Follis Urbs ROMA She-wolf Rom Rem Stars RIC VII Lyons 242.JPG
    RI commem AE Follis Urbs ROMA She-wolf Rom Rem Stars RIC VII Lyons 242


    RI Commem Urbs Roma AE Follis Thessalonika 330-333 CE She-Wolf Rom-Rem stars S 16516R.JPG
    RI Commem Urbs Roma AE Follis Thessalonika 330-333 CE She-Wolf Rom-Rem stars S 16516R


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    Rome VRBS ROMA commem 330-331 CE Æ reduced centenionalis, 16mm, 2.5g, 12h; Trier mint, CE 330-331 She-wolf RIC VII 529


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    RR Anon AR Denarius 115-114BCE Rome mint 19.52mm 3.82g ROMA X Seated r on shields spear birds she-wolf Romulus Remus Cr 287-1 S 164
     
  13. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    Great coin, as always, @zumbly. Stunning reverse! This type just got added to my must have list.
    And good reminder about Mars and the other gods not being exemplars of good behavior.
    2 cool coins @Roman Collector! Maybe Philip the Arab was complimenting his wife's wonderful backside. I mean the hippo is on the reverse of the coin!
    Great pick @Sulla80! Did you take that yourself (if so, count me incredibly jealous) and amazingly detailed reverse!
    Speaking of must haves, excellent RR @dougsmit! I certainly wouldn't call it mediocre. Though I did have to go over to ac search to see an example with 3 owls. Most only show 1 or 2.
    Thanks @Alegandron! I totally blame you for this purchase! Always showing your amazing RR collection. I'm certain it was you flaunting your Sabinuses that put this coin on my radar:jimlad:
    I don't know what coin in your posted selection I'm most :troll: of? The silver Janus or the Sextans?? Wait, yeah I do. Neither! That freaking Anon reverse with seated Roma is a show stopper!
    @Bert Gedin, like a CT pal told me some time ago, pictures or it didn't happen.
    Here's another coin celebrating these celebrators of shame:
    Here they are, more than likely, celebrating the Averni kicking their butts...
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    L. CosconiusM.f.

    118 BCE. AR Serrate Denarius (17 MM, 3.53g, 6h). Narbo mint. Helmeted head of Roma right; X (mark of value) to left / Gallic warrior (Bituitus, king of the Averni?)driving galloping bigaright, hurling spear and holding shield and carnyx. Crawford 282/2; Sydenham 521; Cosconia 1
     
  14. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    I have one of these that saw a lot of use and bought a lot of wine in its day! It's rough but I love it.
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    Sex. Pompeius.
    Denarius
    circa 137bc
    Helmeted head of Roma r.; below chin, X. In field l., jug. Rev. SEX.PO F – OST LVS She-wolf suckling twins; behind, ficus Ruminalis with one bird on trunk and two on upper branches; in field l., the shepherd Faustulus leaning on staff. In exergue, ROMA.
    B. Pompeia 1. Sydenham 461a. Crawford 235/1c.
     
  15. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one step at a time Supporter

    Coin photo is mine - Rome photo is public domain.
     
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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    :D Why, THANK YOU, my Friend! Bro-of-anutha-Mo! Those Republics and their Enemies are ALL purdy cool!
     
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  17. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    Notwithstanding the fratricide myth (I guess sometimes one just cannot control one's emotions), It is difficult to minimize the enormous gift and contribution Rome has been to western civilization not to mention to our own personal passions of ancient history and coin collecting here ay CT. On this solemn day, her birthday, I salute that erternal jewel on Tiber's banks. O FELICEM NATALEM VRBIS AETERNAE.
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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

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