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<p>[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 7755886, member: 51347"]Here is a post I made a while back addressing the subject. When I pull the book out, I will cite the page. It seems it was in the first 25 pages, as Heavy Denarii were started in approx 300 BCE, and his book starts his discussion about Rome’s Coinage from 300 BCE to 700 CE...</p><p><br /></p><p>See post here:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-roman-republican-coin-and-its-date.314576/#post-3050835" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-roman-republican-coin-and-its-date.314576/#post-3050835">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-roman-republican-coin-and-its-date.314576/#post-3050835</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I really enjoyed Kenneth Harl's <i>"Coinage in the Roman Economy 300 BC to 700 AD"</i>.</p><p>I liked his notion that the "Didrachm" actually started in 310 BCE through 211 BCE were, i<b>n the ROMAN's perspective, called a DENARIUS</b>. Being 10 Asses composed a Denarius, and the <b>CURRENCY Reform of 212-211 created a reduced Denarius</b>.</p><p><br /></p><p>Personally, I see the Didrachm of Magna Graecia and the Punic Shekel being of similar size and weight. Then the Romans began minting Silver coins for the first time during 4th and 3rd Century STARTING at roughly that size (the "Heavy" Denarius to the Romans or the Didrachm known to others.)</p><p><br /></p><p>So... My personal opinion is that the FIRST DENARIUS of Rome is:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-anon-ar-heavy-denarius-didrachm-310-300-bce-mars-horse-first-jpg.763443/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>Anonymous, circa 310-300 BCE Heavy Denarius / </b>Didrachm</p><p>Tarrifed at 10 Asses</p><p>(Silver, 20mm, 7.28 g 11),</p><p>uncertain mint (Neapolis?).</p><p>Helmeted head of Mars to left; oak spray to right.</p><p><i>Rev.</i> Horse’s head right, wearing bridle, on base inscribed ROMANO; to left, stalk of grain.</p><p>Crawford 13/1. HN III 266. Sydenham 1.</p><p>Minor reverse corrosion, <i>otherwise</i>, about very fine.</p><p><i>From a Swiss collection, formed in the 1990s.</i></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-anon-ar-heavy-denarius-didrachm-275-270-bce-romano-apollo-galloping-horse-obv-rev-sear23-jpg.763450/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>RR Anon <b>AR Heavy Denarius</b> - Didrachm 275-270 BCE ROMANO Apollo-Galloping Horse Sear23</p><p>10 Asses = Denarius</p><p><br /></p><p><i><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-265-242-bce-ar-heavy-denarius-didrachm-roma-victory-crawford-22-1-sear-25-jpg.763448/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </i></p><p><i><b>Anonymous AR Heavy Denarius </b>/ Didrachm. Rome, circa 265-242 BC. Head of Roma right, wearing Phrygian helmet, cornucopiae behind / ROMANO, Victory standing right, attaching wreath to long palm, YY in right field. Crawford 22/1; RSC 7. 6.55g, 18mm, 6h. Very Fine. From the Eucharius Collection</i></p><p><i>Tarrifed at 10 Asses = Denarius</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-47-11-png.763453/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </i></p><p><i>RR Anon Ca 240 BCE <b>AR Heavy Quinarius</b> Drachm 16mm 3.0g Rome Helmet Hd Mars r - Horse’s hd sickle Cr 25-2 Syd 25 RSC 34a Rare</i></p><p><i>5 Asses = Quinarius</i></p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-234-231-bce-ar-heavy-denarius-didrachm-apollo-horse-prancing-crawford-26-1-sear-28-jpg.763449/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </i></p><p><i>Anonymous <b>AR Heavy Denarius</b> / Didrachm. Rome, 234-231 BC. Laureate head of Apollo right / Horse prancing left, ROMA above. Crawford 26/1; RSC 37. 6.63g, 20mm, 12h. Very Fine. </i></p><p>Tarrifed at 10 Asses = Denarius</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-anon-ar-heavy-denarius-quadrigatus-didrachm-225-215-bce-cr-28-3-s-31-obv-rev-jpg.763451/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>RR Anon <b>AR Heavy Denarius Quadrigatus</b> Didrachm 225-215 BCE Craw 28-3 Sear 31</p><p>10 Asses = Denarius</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-48-43-png.763455/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>RR Anon <b>AR Heavy Quinarius</b> Drachm Half Quadrigatus 225-212 BCE 3.1g 18mm Janus Jupiter in Quadriga L Victory ROMA Craw 28-4 Sear 35 SCARCE</p><p>5 Asses = Quinarius</p><p><br /></p><p><b>THEN, due to the DISASTERS of the 2nd Punic War (Battles of Trebbia, Lake Trasimene, and Cannae), Rome was SCRAMBLING for hard currency. This led to a major reform of the currency which resulted in a REDUCED Denarius known for several hundred years afterward until approx 200 CE, then further debased, then eliminated approx 275 CE.</b></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Reduced Denarius - Post Denarius Reform</b></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-53-12-png.763458/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>RR AR Denarius 214-208 BCE Roma R X behind - Dioscuri R ROMA linear frame stars Sicily RARE Cr 68-1b approx 4.0g</p><p><br /></p><p><b>The Year that Carthage was made EXTINCT:</b></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-55-37-png.763462/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p>RR AR Denarius C Antestiu Rome 146 BCE 3.97g 19.0mm Helm hd Roma R X C ANTESTI - Dioscuri gllpng R puppy-dog running ROMA</p><p><br /></p><p><b>LAST Coinage of the Carthaginian Empire:</b></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-56-32-png.763464/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Carthage Third Punic War Serrate Double Shekel 149-146 BCE 12.8g 26mm Wreathd Tanit-Horse pellet raised leg SNG COP 404</p><p><br /></p><p>My thoughts.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Alegandron, post: 7755886, member: 51347"]Here is a post I made a while back addressing the subject. When I pull the book out, I will cite the page. It seems it was in the first 25 pages, as Heavy Denarii were started in approx 300 BCE, and his book starts his discussion about Rome’s Coinage from 300 BCE to 700 CE... See post here: [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-roman-republican-coin-and-its-date.314576/#post-3050835[/URL] I really enjoyed Kenneth Harl's [I]"Coinage in the Roman Economy 300 BC to 700 AD"[/I]. I liked his notion that the "Didrachm" actually started in 310 BCE through 211 BCE were, i[B]n the ROMAN's perspective, called a DENARIUS[/B]. Being 10 Asses composed a Denarius, and the [B]CURRENCY Reform of 212-211 created a reduced Denarius[/B]. Personally, I see the Didrachm of Magna Graecia and the Punic Shekel being of similar size and weight. Then the Romans began minting Silver coins for the first time during 4th and 3rd Century STARTING at roughly that size (the "Heavy" Denarius to the Romans or the Didrachm known to others.) So... My personal opinion is that the FIRST DENARIUS of Rome is: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-anon-ar-heavy-denarius-didrachm-310-300-bce-mars-horse-first-jpg.763443/[/IMG] [B]Anonymous, circa 310-300 BCE Heavy Denarius / [/B]Didrachm Tarrifed at 10 Asses (Silver, 20mm, 7.28 g 11), uncertain mint (Neapolis?). Helmeted head of Mars to left; oak spray to right. [I]Rev.[/I] Horse’s head right, wearing bridle, on base inscribed ROMANO; to left, stalk of grain. Crawford 13/1. HN III 266. Sydenham 1. Minor reverse corrosion, [I]otherwise[/I], about very fine. [I]From a Swiss collection, formed in the 1990s.[/I] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-anon-ar-heavy-denarius-didrachm-275-270-bce-romano-apollo-galloping-horse-obv-rev-sear23-jpg.763450/[/IMG] RR Anon [B]AR Heavy Denarius[/B] - Didrachm 275-270 BCE ROMANO Apollo-Galloping Horse Sear23 10 Asses = Denarius [I][IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-265-242-bce-ar-heavy-denarius-didrachm-roma-victory-crawford-22-1-sear-25-jpg.763448/[/IMG] [B]Anonymous AR Heavy Denarius [/B]/ Didrachm. Rome, circa 265-242 BC. Head of Roma right, wearing Phrygian helmet, cornucopiae behind / ROMANO, Victory standing right, attaching wreath to long palm, YY in right field. Crawford 22/1; RSC 7. 6.55g, 18mm, 6h. Very Fine. From the Eucharius Collection Tarrifed at 10 Asses = Denarius [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-47-11-png.763453/[/IMG] RR Anon Ca 240 BCE [B]AR Heavy Quinarius[/B] Drachm 16mm 3.0g Rome Helmet Hd Mars r - Horse’s hd sickle Cr 25-2 Syd 25 RSC 34a Rare 5 Asses = Quinarius [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-234-231-bce-ar-heavy-denarius-didrachm-apollo-horse-prancing-crawford-26-1-sear-28-jpg.763449/[/IMG] Anonymous [B]AR Heavy Denarius[/B] / Didrachm. Rome, 234-231 BC. Laureate head of Apollo right / Horse prancing left, ROMA above. Crawford 26/1; RSC 37. 6.63g, 20mm, 12h. Very Fine. [/I] Tarrifed at 10 Asses = Denarius [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/rr-anon-ar-heavy-denarius-quadrigatus-didrachm-225-215-bce-cr-28-3-s-31-obv-rev-jpg.763451/[/IMG] RR Anon [B]AR Heavy Denarius Quadrigatus[/B] Didrachm 225-215 BCE Craw 28-3 Sear 31 10 Asses = Denarius [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-48-43-png.763455/[/IMG] RR Anon [B]AR Heavy Quinarius[/B] Drachm Half Quadrigatus 225-212 BCE 3.1g 18mm Janus Jupiter in Quadriga L Victory ROMA Craw 28-4 Sear 35 SCARCE 5 Asses = Quinarius [B]THEN, due to the DISASTERS of the 2nd Punic War (Battles of Trebbia, Lake Trasimene, and Cannae), Rome was SCRAMBLING for hard currency. This led to a major reform of the currency which resulted in a REDUCED Denarius known for several hundred years afterward until approx 200 CE, then further debased, then eliminated approx 275 CE.[/B] [B]Reduced Denarius - Post Denarius Reform[/B] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-53-12-png.763458/[/IMG] RR AR Denarius 214-208 BCE Roma R X behind - Dioscuri R ROMA linear frame stars Sicily RARE Cr 68-1b approx 4.0g [B]The Year that Carthage was made EXTINCT:[/B] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-55-37-png.763462/[/IMG] RR AR Denarius C Antestiu Rome 146 BCE 3.97g 19.0mm Helm hd Roma R X C ANTESTI - Dioscuri gllpng R puppy-dog running ROMA [B]LAST Coinage of the Carthaginian Empire:[/B] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/upload_2018-4-10_20-56-32-png.763464/[/IMG] Carthage Third Punic War Serrate Double Shekel 149-146 BCE 12.8g 26mm Wreathd Tanit-Horse pellet raised leg SNG COP 404 My thoughts.[/QUOTE]
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