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<p>[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4386332, member: 110350"]Another new animal has joined the crowd:</p><p><br /></p><p>Roman Republic, Mn. Fonteius C.f., AR Denarius, Rome Mint 85 BC. Obverse: Laureate head of Apollo* right, MN. FONTEI behind (MN and NT in monograms), C.F below chin, thunderbolt below neck / Rev. Cupid or winged Infant Genius** seated on goat standing right, caps (pilei) of the Dioscuri above, thyrsus (staff surmounted by pine cone) of Bacchus below; all within laurel-wreath. RSC I Fonteia 10 (ill.), Crawford 353/1c, Sydenham 724a, Sear RCV I 271 (ill.). Size: 20mm, 3.93g.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1104604[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>* RSC I (at p. 49) identifies the obverse head as Vejovis, a little-known Italian deity whose temple contained a statue depicting him holding arrows and standing next to a goat. See J.M. Jones, <i>A Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins</i> (Seaby, 1990) at p. 315 (entry for Vejovis). Crawford and RCV I disagree and identify the head as Apollo. Given that David Sear was credited, along with Robert Loosley, with the revisions for the 1978 Third edition of RSC I (which continued to identify the obverse as Vejovis, four years after Crawford was published), I think it's safe to assume that Sear had changed his mind about this identification by the time RCV I was published in 2000. (In the 1981 edition of RCV at p. 67, Sear identifies the head on this coin as "Apollo Vejovis" -- a halfway position, I suppose!)</p><p><br /></p><p>** RSC I (at p. 49) identifies the winged figure on the reverse as an "infant Genius," whereas both Crawford and RCV I identify the figure on the reverse as Cupid. See Crawford Vol. I at p. 369, RCV I at p. 123. Crawford also characterizes the reverse as Dionysiac, presumably given, among other things, the association of the thyrsus with Bacchus. See Crawford Vol. I at pp. 369-370; see also RCV I at p. 123 and Jones at p. 128, mentioning this coin and calling it "likely . . . Dionysiac" in the entry for "Goat."</p><p><br /></p><p>_____</p><p><br /></p><p>I looked at several examples of this coin at the NYINC in January and was very tempted to buy one, but didn't because I thought that on all of them, the reverse figures looked disproportionately tiny compared to the size of the coin. I'm glad I waited; the Cupid and goat seem much more proportionate to me on this example.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DonnaML, post: 4386332, member: 110350"]Another new animal has joined the crowd: Roman Republic, Mn. Fonteius C.f., AR Denarius, Rome Mint 85 BC. Obverse: Laureate head of Apollo* right, MN. FONTEI behind (MN and NT in monograms), C.F below chin, thunderbolt below neck / Rev. Cupid or winged Infant Genius** seated on goat standing right, caps (pilei) of the Dioscuri above, thyrsus (staff surmounted by pine cone) of Bacchus below; all within laurel-wreath. RSC I Fonteia 10 (ill.), Crawford 353/1c, Sydenham 724a, Sear RCV I 271 (ill.). Size: 20mm, 3.93g. [ATTACH=full]1104604[/ATTACH] * RSC I (at p. 49) identifies the obverse head as Vejovis, a little-known Italian deity whose temple contained a statue depicting him holding arrows and standing next to a goat. See J.M. Jones, [I]A Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins[/I] (Seaby, 1990) at p. 315 (entry for Vejovis). Crawford and RCV I disagree and identify the head as Apollo. Given that David Sear was credited, along with Robert Loosley, with the revisions for the 1978 Third edition of RSC I (which continued to identify the obverse as Vejovis, four years after Crawford was published), I think it's safe to assume that Sear had changed his mind about this identification by the time RCV I was published in 2000. (In the 1981 edition of RCV at p. 67, Sear identifies the head on this coin as "Apollo Vejovis" -- a halfway position, I suppose!) ** RSC I (at p. 49) identifies the winged figure on the reverse as an "infant Genius," whereas both Crawford and RCV I identify the figure on the reverse as Cupid. See Crawford Vol. I at p. 369, RCV I at p. 123. Crawford also characterizes the reverse as Dionysiac, presumably given, among other things, the association of the thyrsus with Bacchus. See Crawford Vol. I at pp. 369-370; see also RCV I at p. 123 and Jones at p. 128, mentioning this coin and calling it "likely . . . Dionysiac" in the entry for "Goat." _____ I looked at several examples of this coin at the NYINC in January and was very tempted to buy one, but didn't because I thought that on all of them, the reverse figures looked disproportionately tiny compared to the size of the coin. I'm glad I waited; the Cupid and goat seem much more proportionate to me on this example.[/QUOTE]
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