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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 24619113, member: 85693"]Here is my latest attempt to identify the couple dozen ancients that I haven't been able to figure out. Sometimes I go through the pile and try to figure 'em out. Sometimes I get a bit closer to solving the puzzle; thus I am resurrecting this antique thread. With new photos too!</p><p><br /></p><p>This one appears to be unlisted. If anybody can add any information, I'd be very pleased. At some point I might send it to RPC to see if they want to add it to their database.</p><p><br /></p><p>Since the OP, I think I figured out the reverse figure - Phosphorus holding two torches, cape blowing behind, apparently otherwise not attired (hope those torches aren't sparking!). The reverse legend is pretty clear - it was issued by Caesarea Germanica. Here's mine with my latest efforts at an attribution:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_06/CaesareaGermanicaBithynia-ElagabalusPhosphoros-Oct2019(0).jpg.4bfdbbc6f4e7e825f6b41c8a6d861aaa.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Elagabalus Æ 19 Caesarea</b> <b>Germanica, Bithynia </b> <b>(c. 218-222 A.D.) </b>[Μ ΑΥΡ?] ΑΝΤΩΝΙΝΟC ΑΥΓΟΥ, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right / [ΚΑ CΑ]ΡΕΙΑC ΓΕΡΜΑΝΙΚ<u>ΗC, </u>Phosphorus advancing left, holding two torches Unlisted (see notes). (3.55 grams / 19 x 18 mm) eBay Oct. 2019 $3.00</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Attribution: </b>This appears to be unlisted. See:</p><p><br /></p><p><b>RPC VI 10926 (temporary) </b>same (or similar) legends, Elagabalus, Caesarea Germanica, athlete reverse <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/10926" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/10926" rel="nofollow">https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/10926</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>CNG </b>E-Auction 188; Lot 211; 28.05.2008: Diadumenian, Caesarea Germanica, Phosphorus advancing right</p><p><br /></p><p>I found an unlisted Phosphorus type for Diadumenian (CNG auction) that looks an awful lot like mine, except Phosphorus is hurrying off in the opposite direction. The obverse legend on mine would appear to be Elagabalus. Here's a comparison photo with the Diadumenian:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_06/CaesareaGermanicaBithynia-ElagabalusPhosphoros-Oct2019(0)COMP.jpg.7d799f99f30653d4d8d4203488431d6d.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>CNG auction: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=479622" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=479622" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=479622</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's the RPC Elagabalus with the athlete reverse - the obverse inscription seems to match mine, thus my belief mine is for Elagabalus (but not a die-match, alas):</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_06/CaesareaGermanicaBithynia-ElagabalusathleteRPC10926-RPCpic0.jpg.8db84c12ee7d2a3974148cc2d695b574.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/10926" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/10926" rel="nofollow">https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/10926</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Further compounding the mystery is what town are we talking about? - Wikipedia:</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Germanicopolis</b> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language" rel="nofollow">Greek</a>: Γερμανικόπολις) was an ancient town in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia" rel="nofollow">Bithynia</a>, also known as <b>Caesarea in Bythinia</b> (not to be confused with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F" rel="nofollow">Caesarea Germanica</a>, as such a former bishopric and present Latin Catholic <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titular_see" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titular_see" rel="nofollow">titular see</a>. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicopolis_(Bithynia)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicopolis_(Bithynia)" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicopolis_(Bithynia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicopolis_(Bithynia)</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Kahramanmaraş</b> (Turkish pronunciation: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Turkish" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Turkish" rel="nofollow">[kahɾaˈmanmaɾaʃ]</a>), historically <b>Marash</b> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language" rel="nofollow">Turkish</a>: <i>Maraş</i>; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language" rel="nofollow">Armenian</a>: Մարաշ) and <b>Germanicea</b> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language" rel="nofollow">Greek</a>: Γερμανίκεια), is a city in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Region,_Turkey" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Region,_Turkey" rel="nofollow">Mediterranean region</a> of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey" rel="nofollow">Turkey</a> and the administrative centre of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F_Province" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F_Province" rel="nofollow">Kahramanmaraş province</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>Maraş was called <b>Germanicia Caesarea</b> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language" rel="nofollow">Ancient Greek</a>: Γερμανίκεια, <b>Germanikeia</b>) in the time of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire" rel="nofollow">Roman</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire" rel="nofollow">Byzantine</a> empires, probably after <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicus" rel="nofollow">Germanicus</a> Julius Caesar rather than the German people. According to a 2010 <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumhuriyet" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumhuriyet" rel="nofollow">Cumhuriyet</a></i> article, the first ruins of Germanicia have already been unearthed in the Dulkadiroğulları quarters of the city. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmaraş</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah, "not to be confused" is what I am not. If that makes sense. The coin sources say this is the one in Bithynia.</p><p><br /></p><p>Share your mysteries, your attribution journeys, your tired, your poor, your huddled masses of coins yearning to be identified (with apologies to Emma Lazarus and the Statue of Liberty).</p><p><br /></p><p>Anything else from Caesarea Germanica would be good to see too (RPC lists only 24 types total).</p><p><br /></p><p>P.S. Technical glitch. Can't seem to get the "full image" to work. Sorry. I'm not very good with this stuff.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 24619113, member: 85693"]Here is my latest attempt to identify the couple dozen ancients that I haven't been able to figure out. Sometimes I go through the pile and try to figure 'em out. Sometimes I get a bit closer to solving the puzzle; thus I am resurrecting this antique thread. With new photos too! This one appears to be unlisted. If anybody can add any information, I'd be very pleased. At some point I might send it to RPC to see if they want to add it to their database. Since the OP, I think I figured out the reverse figure - Phosphorus holding two torches, cape blowing behind, apparently otherwise not attired (hope those torches aren't sparking!). The reverse legend is pretty clear - it was issued by Caesarea Germanica. Here's mine with my latest efforts at an attribution: [IMG]https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_06/CaesareaGermanicaBithynia-ElagabalusPhosphoros-Oct2019(0).jpg.4bfdbbc6f4e7e825f6b41c8a6d861aaa.jpg[/IMG] [B]Elagabalus Æ 19 Caesarea[/B] [B]Germanica, Bithynia [/B] [B](c. 218-222 A.D.) [/B][Μ ΑΥΡ?] ΑΝΤΩΝΙΝΟC ΑΥΓΟΥ, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right / [ΚΑ CΑ]ΡΕΙΑC ΓΕΡΜΑΝΙΚ[U]ΗC, [/U]Phosphorus advancing left, holding two torches Unlisted (see notes). (3.55 grams / 19 x 18 mm) eBay Oct. 2019 $3.00 [B]Attribution: [/B]This appears to be unlisted. See: [B]RPC VI 10926 (temporary) [/B]same (or similar) legends, Elagabalus, Caesarea Germanica, athlete reverse [URL]https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/10926[/URL] [B]CNG [/B]E-Auction 188; Lot 211; 28.05.2008: Diadumenian, Caesarea Germanica, Phosphorus advancing right I found an unlisted Phosphorus type for Diadumenian (CNG auction) that looks an awful lot like mine, except Phosphorus is hurrying off in the opposite direction. The obverse legend on mine would appear to be Elagabalus. Here's a comparison photo with the Diadumenian: [IMG]https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_06/CaesareaGermanicaBithynia-ElagabalusPhosphoros-Oct2019(0)COMP.jpg.7d799f99f30653d4d8d4203488431d6d.jpg[/IMG] CNG auction: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=479622[/URL] Here's the RPC Elagabalus with the athlete reverse - the obverse inscription seems to match mine, thus my belief mine is for Elagabalus (but not a die-match, alas): [IMG]https://content.invisioncic.com/k321387/monthly_2023_06/CaesareaGermanicaBithynia-ElagabalusathleteRPC10926-RPCpic0.jpg.8db84c12ee7d2a3974148cc2d695b574.jpg[/IMG] [URL]https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/10926[/URL] Further compounding the mystery is what town are we talking about? - Wikipedia: [B]Germanicopolis[/B] ([URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language']Greek[/URL]: Γερμανικόπολις) was an ancient town in [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia']Bithynia[/URL], also known as [B]Caesarea in Bythinia[/B] (not to be confused with [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F']Caesarea Germanica[/URL], as such a former bishopric and present Latin Catholic [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titular_see']titular see[/URL]. [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicopolis_(Bithynia)']https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicopolis_(Bithynia)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicopolis_(Bithynia)[/URL] [B]Kahramanmaraş[/B] (Turkish pronunciation: [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Turkish'][kahɾaˈmanmaɾaʃ][/URL]), historically [B]Marash[/B] ([URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_language']Turkish[/URL]: [I]Maraş[/I]; [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language']Armenian[/URL]: Մարաշ) and [B]Germanicea[/B] ([URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language']Greek[/URL]: Γερμανίκεια), is a city in the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Region,_Turkey']Mediterranean region[/URL] of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey']Turkey[/URL] and the administrative centre of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F_Province']Kahramanmaraş province[/URL]. Maraş was called [B]Germanicia Caesarea[/B] ([URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language']Ancient Greek[/URL]: Γερμανίκεια, [B]Germanikeia[/B]) in the time of the [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire']Roman[/URL] and [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire']Byzantine[/URL] empires, probably after [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanicus']Germanicus[/URL] Julius Caesar rather than the German people. According to a 2010 [I][URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumhuriyet']Cumhuriyet[/URL][/I] article, the first ruins of Germanicia have already been unearthed in the Dulkadiroğulları quarters of the city. [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmara%C5%9F']https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahramanmaraş[/URL] Yeah, "not to be confused" is what I am not. If that makes sense. The coin sources say this is the one in Bithynia. Share your mysteries, your attribution journeys, your tired, your poor, your huddled masses of coins yearning to be identified (with apologies to Emma Lazarus and the Statue of Liberty). Anything else from Caesarea Germanica would be good to see too (RPC lists only 24 types total). P.S. Technical glitch. Can't seem to get the "full image" to work. Sorry. I'm not very good with this stuff.[/QUOTE]
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