Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by TIF, Jul 23, 2017.
Thank you! I've had some for over 50 years. Time to let others enjoy them.
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That city wasn't on the list! It has now been added and ticked. Thanks
KINGS of COMMAGENE. Antiochos IV Epiphanes. AD 38-72. Æ (28mm, 14.33 gm, 1h). Obv: BAΣIΛEYΣ • MEΓΑΣ • ANTIOXOΣ, diademed and draped bust right Countermark: crossed cornucopias. Rev: ΚΟΜΜΑΓΗΝΩΝ, Scorpion within wreath. RPC I 3857.
KINGS of GALATIA. Amyntas. 39-25 BC. Æ (25mm, 13.67 gm, 10h). Obv: Head of Herakles r., club over shoulder. Rev: Lion walking right; B above, monogram(s) in ex. RPC I 3505; SNG France 2377-82.
Archelaus, King of Cappadocia, 36 BC - 17 AD. AR Drachm (3.5 gm, 12h, 20mm). Cappadocia mint. Obv: Diademed head of Archelaus to right. Rev. Upright club Date M to left. BMC 3. RPC 3604. Rare. An on-line quote of interest: "Archelaus, a great-grandson of a general of Mithradates VI, was made king of Cappadocia by Antony and continued to rule under Augustus and on into the reign of Tiberius. He was then called to Rome where he remained until his death in 17, after which Cappadocia was made a Roman province. Despite its small size this is one of the last great Hellenistic regal portraits, yet it also has a clear relation to idealized portraits of Augustus and shows how Roman concepts of portraiture had been incorporated by Greek engravers."
@PeteB... hmm, I'm not sure how to handle the last three coins. Commagene was a Roman province under Tiberius, an independent kingdom during the time of your Antiochos IV, and then a province again after his death.
As for Amyntus, wasn't Galatia an independent kingdom until his death, when Augustus made Galatia a province of Rome?
Similarly, Archelaus ruled an independent Cappadocia.
They are listed in RPC, so I assumed they fit here as "provincial" coins. Perhaps under a new category of "Kings of..."
Perhaps RPC was incorrect in listing them. Please delete them...and this post...if you feel they are inappropriate.
I'll re-read the RPC intro in the morning when my brain works better . I have no objection at all to showing such coins in this thread, whether or not we end up counting them on the list. Determining whether to classify a coin as "Roman Provincial" is not as straightforward as it seems!
Agreed. Perhaps the author(s) of RPC agonized on this very thing. Perhaps it hinges on what true "independence" was.
This is a long standing question for coin collectors. Sear got us used to the matter by defining 'Greek' more or less as anything ancient not Roman so when he put out his reek Imperial book, it seemed right to include independent ancients rather than requiring a category of 'neither Greek nor Roman'. My favorite questionable coins are those of Rhodes showing no markings of Roman nature but from a time when Rome was quite in control.
Should we require collectors to know the political situation for every coin or just include coins of later dates regardless of politics?
What is the meaning of the B (mine is half off)? Why does no one quote the E on the obverse behind the head? Most coins show a par of it.
Keen eye, Doug. I didn't notice the E on my coin, but it is there.....and not mentioned in RPC!
I can only assume there is a connection here with Antioch coinage of the time... Does anyone have any more information about this?
John Slocum wrote in his "Another look at the coins of Hatra," "The reverse type of the large Shamash coins is undoubtedly an inept imitation of the familiar issues of Antioch, their SC (printed backward in his paper, reflecting the coins) a mirror image of the SC of the Greek Imperial pieces. Dieudonne believed that the prototype was the coinage of Antoninus Pius, upon which, according to the French numismatist, the eagle and the letters SC appeared for the first time." And "It should be noted, however, that on the Antiochene coinage under Antoninus Pius, the eagle on the reverse is below and not above the letters. The reverse of the large coins of Shamash were more likely a synthesis of the eagle so prominent on the reverse of the tetradrachms of Antioch with the SC on the reverse of the Senatorial bronzes." Ref: The American Numismatic Society Museum Notes 22 (1977).
Thank you, Pete! Very fascinating!
I should have added the very first sentence of Slocum's paper: "In the general category of Greek Imperial coins, without a doubt the most peripheral and esoteric are those of Hatra, a small desert state which achieved some measure of independence from Parthia or from Adiabene, itself a Parthian tributary, in the first quarter of the second century of our era and lost it to the Sassanian king, Shapur I, in the second quarter of the third century."
CYPRUS, Paphos. Roman Rule. Cleopatra VII? Mid 1st century BC. Æ (16mm, 3.10 g, 12h). Obv: Diademed head of Zeus-Ammon right. Rev: Zeus Salaminios(?) standing left, holding scepter and grain ears. Zapiti & Michaelidou 69 (Cleopatra VII?); Nicolaou Paphos II 469-509; Cox Curium 128; BMC Pl. LXXXI, 2. See:
Nice little chunk of bronze, and interesting history! I did not have Paphos on the list but have now added it. Thanks
On the spreadsheet I should add links to the coins shown in this thread, at least for the first coin shown for a given city. I've done so with this one and maybe over the holidays I'll go through the thread and add the other 309 represented so far.
CARIA Harpasa Hadrian, Harpasos reclining
RPC III, 2225; BMC 7, Delrieux 28/HP/5; Paris 676 = Wa 2394
Obv. ΑΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΡΑ ΑΔΡΙΑΝΟС
Laureate head of Hadrian, right
River-god Harpasos reclining l., holding reed in r. hand, l. resting on overturned vase form which water flows
Doug, what is the diameter of your Amyntas? Mine is 25mm. A great one sold recently by NOMOS was 21 mm.
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