Roman Medallion?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by joecoincollect, Aug 26, 2021.

  1. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Please help. Its fabric to me seems real, no seam, great details—check—seems same size and weight of some medallions. Check again. Got it for a steal though so am naturally suspicious. Any help appreciated. Thanks, joe

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  3. Roman Collector

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    Were that genuine, I'm sure it would be a five-figure coin. All genuine examples would have a well-documented provenance. I suspect you are looking at a "Paduan," a replica from a couple hundred years ago in the style of antiquity. Casts and aftercasts of Paduans abound. I suspect that's what this is. Interesting item, though.
  4. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    The Hadrian portrait is just awful. I doubt if it is even a Paduan era coin!
  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Be seeing you!.. Supporter

    ..i'm afraid i c a seam seem solla beam....sorry :)
  6. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    i don’t see one, not sure i follow
  7. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    you’re right, looks hundreds of years old, not thousands. Ill take it to a coin show to see what some say. I’m thinking i’ll sell for 200 plus, but that’s a long shot so I don’t mind owning since i paid under one hundred. My impression thus far is 1) it was die struck by a talented engraver but the talent of the artist is in question (not to me though); or 2) was cast but seam smoothed down then over a few centuries toned over so it appears to look like genuine Roman examples impressed on similar planchets/discs(?).
  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Be seeing you!.. Supporter

    i can see a line in the center of the edge...lQQks to me anyway...may have been filed would be kool ifn it was legit...and certain paduans are very collectible too..:)
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  9. Tigermoth1

    Tigermoth1 Active Member

    You know I'm bored my all this is it AUTHENTIC; IF it were a copy made of an important coin, then WOW! some unknown engraver is an artist! (That is, if it passed for real; no one was hurt really, if it circulated round all these years).
    I'm in awe of well educated true numismatists who can distinguish between authentic and false, yet I'm still in awe of false. Hey it's a hard world out there; perhaps I should begin a collection of fascinating falsehoods?
    I don't want bottom line to be burnt, but a true auction of false radically beautiful specimens might just be in order.
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  10. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    The legends and portrait styles aren't quite right - but i've seen far worse. Nice patina. I suspect they're genuine 19th century antique replicas.
  11. RichardT

    RichardT Well-Known Member

    It looks concave on both obverse and reverse. That is a giant red flag if true.

    Certainly not cast. If it was the Hadrian portrait would be accurate. And this is horrible.
  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Paduan, perhaps?

    Edit- aha, I see that's been brought up.

    That would be my best (admittedly-uninformed) guess.
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I could buy into that theory, too.

    Definitely not ancient, but old. Might have some collectible value in that right.
  14. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    I would keep it for the neat left-facing portrait of Aelius (I can see nothing wrong with that one style-wise), but never, never ever turn it around :greedy:
  15. ominus1

    ominus1 Be seeing you!.. Supporter opinion is just one of the masses :D survey says.jpg
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  16. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Ugly Hadrian, but Aelius looks cool. If you can can stand to keep it at the price you paid for it, I'd keep it as a display piece. Kind of neat.
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  17. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    The obverse seems to duplicate an authentic Roman medallion die of Aelius, illustrated in the new RIC for Hadrian, pl. 217, 2931-2.

    I don't know what the forger based his Hadrian side on.
  18. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Fake but it has some nice eye appeal as a curio.
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  19. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Thanks for replies. Yeah, probably 1800s or so piece. It has a patina on it that looks a few centuries old, like some of my older world bronze coins.
  20. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

  21. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Really too bad about the Hadrian. The Aelius looks spot-on, and I think it's cool, especially considering the large size.

    Also, I like @GregH 's oxymoron:
    "I suspect they're genuine 19th century antique replicas."

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