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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24804510, member: 26430"]I understand what you're saying here, but it's worth keeping in mind a couple things:</p><p><br /></p><p>1: Museums are the actors hit hardest by cultural patrimony claims and seizures. The actors aggressively pursuing repatriation tend to view museums as "the enemy," and lump them in with private collectors and dealers as "the other side." At least in the USA, they dedicate much or even most of their energy to figuring out which museums' objects can be seized (or even used as evidence in criminal prosecution of curators, which happens surprisingly regularly).</p><p><br /></p><p>2: As a policy matter, people recognize there has to some cutoff point, and that the most immediate (and most agreed-upon) concern is <i>future</i> (and very recent) looting/undocumented harvesting of antiquities. So there is a very sound policy reason to de-emphasize objects that have been in collections for a long time. (Likewise, there is a sound reason for collectors to incentivize older, well-documented provenances by paying a bit more for them.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Pre-1970 is the generally agreed upon "gold standard" to leave objects alone in private or institutional collections, except, of course, under extraordinary circumstances. (In fact, museums are usually held to much stricter standards.)</p><p><br /></p><p>So, the stuff you mention like WWII loot taken by governments could definitely still be vulnerable to lawsuits seeking repatriation, if someone "gets a bee in their bonnet."</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, Russia doesn't really care about international legal bodies. If they do return any of it, it'll be in trade for some other political goal like getting some assets unfrozen in a Spanish bank.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><i>Very similar</i>: Russia wants a bunch of artifacts back that were lost <i>ca.</i> WWII -- including ancient Greek coins, not because another country came and looted them, but because Stalin sold a big chunk of Hermitage coins on the international auction market! (Viz. <a href="https://www.rnumis.com/house_auctions.php?house=SLSS&db_minyr=1844&db_maxyr=2023&dbcountry=All%20Countries" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.rnumis.com/house_auctions.php?house=SLSS&db_minyr=1844&db_maxyr=2023&dbcountry=All%20Countries" rel="nofollow">at least four Schlessinger sales in the 1930s</a>.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24804510, member: 26430"]I understand what you're saying here, but it's worth keeping in mind a couple things: 1: Museums are the actors hit hardest by cultural patrimony claims and seizures. The actors aggressively pursuing repatriation tend to view museums as "the enemy," and lump them in with private collectors and dealers as "the other side." At least in the USA, they dedicate much or even most of their energy to figuring out which museums' objects can be seized (or even used as evidence in criminal prosecution of curators, which happens surprisingly regularly). 2: As a policy matter, people recognize there has to some cutoff point, and that the most immediate (and most agreed-upon) concern is [I]future[/I] (and very recent) looting/undocumented harvesting of antiquities. So there is a very sound policy reason to de-emphasize objects that have been in collections for a long time. (Likewise, there is a sound reason for collectors to incentivize older, well-documented provenances by paying a bit more for them.) Pre-1970 is the generally agreed upon "gold standard" to leave objects alone in private or institutional collections, except, of course, under extraordinary circumstances. (In fact, museums are usually held to much stricter standards.) So, the stuff you mention like WWII loot taken by governments could definitely still be vulnerable to lawsuits seeking repatriation, if someone "gets a bee in their bonnet." Of course, Russia doesn't really care about international legal bodies. If they do return any of it, it'll be in trade for some other political goal like getting some assets unfrozen in a Spanish bank. [I]Very similar[/I]: Russia wants a bunch of artifacts back that were lost [I]ca.[/I] WWII -- including ancient Greek coins, not because another country came and looted them, but because Stalin sold a big chunk of Hermitage coins on the international auction market! (Viz. [URL='https://www.rnumis.com/house_auctions.php?house=SLSS&db_minyr=1844&db_maxyr=2023&dbcountry=All%20Countries']at least four Schlessinger sales in the 1930s[/URL].)[/QUOTE]
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