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<p>[QUOTE="iloveallcoins, post: 2929737, member: 91550"]I am sorry to anyone who feels attacked aside from you of course. You are arguing a point you clearly know nothing about. If you don't even know which are the key dates or not then how do you understand what I am talking about?</p><p><br /></p><p>Talking about a 1962-1963 MS65FBL again these are coins that always sell for more then, and slightly less then the book value. In fact PCGS just raised the 1962 to $1600 to drop it right back to $1350. If you don't understand the market don't argue back as a fanboy just because you are a fan boy. Present facts no one cares about your opinion.</p><p><br /></p><p>You also made this about auction prices. But I am talking about in person from a dealer as well as auctions. Auction coins ALWAYS sell for less because most people buy them sight unseen, and many poorly graded examples get dumped in auctions.</p><p><br /></p><p>By your logic if someone takes a 1909 S VDB graded PCGS MS65RB.....but the coin is actually mostly brown then the value is lost to anyone who has a 1909 S VDB in MS65RB.</p><p><br /></p><p>Similarly FBL Franklins that are barely FBL or incorrectly attributed are extremely common. Those do sell for much less and they effect the market. The same thing happens for technically correctly graded but ugly coins. PCGS factors nothing but the lowest sale price regardless of all other facts and retail sales prices. </p><p><br /></p><p>You and some others are held up on auction prices but the market is bigger then the sale prices of Heritage, Stacksbowers, and Legend auction companies.....yet PCGS is being lazy and using them to dictate the values of the coins across the board.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is the reason why Mr. Snow just came out with that crazy new grading system for Indian Cents. He was also noticing that good coins were being devalued by junk in the auctions.</p><p><br /></p><p>But yes keep arguing about the range of 1948 D Franklins that sold at heritage lol. What about all the ones that sold for much more on ebay? Ebay buy it now sales don't count because why? They were not auctions?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="iloveallcoins, post: 2929737, member: 91550"]I am sorry to anyone who feels attacked aside from you of course. You are arguing a point you clearly know nothing about. If you don't even know which are the key dates or not then how do you understand what I am talking about? Talking about a 1962-1963 MS65FBL again these are coins that always sell for more then, and slightly less then the book value. In fact PCGS just raised the 1962 to $1600 to drop it right back to $1350. If you don't understand the market don't argue back as a fanboy just because you are a fan boy. Present facts no one cares about your opinion. You also made this about auction prices. But I am talking about in person from a dealer as well as auctions. Auction coins ALWAYS sell for less because most people buy them sight unseen, and many poorly graded examples get dumped in auctions. By your logic if someone takes a 1909 S VDB graded PCGS MS65RB.....but the coin is actually mostly brown then the value is lost to anyone who has a 1909 S VDB in MS65RB. Similarly FBL Franklins that are barely FBL or incorrectly attributed are extremely common. Those do sell for much less and they effect the market. The same thing happens for technically correctly graded but ugly coins. PCGS factors nothing but the lowest sale price regardless of all other facts and retail sales prices. You and some others are held up on auction prices but the market is bigger then the sale prices of Heritage, Stacksbowers, and Legend auction companies.....yet PCGS is being lazy and using them to dictate the values of the coins across the board. This is the reason why Mr. Snow just came out with that crazy new grading system for Indian Cents. He was also noticing that good coins were being devalued by junk in the auctions. But yes keep arguing about the range of 1948 D Franklins that sold at heritage lol. What about all the ones that sold for much more on ebay? Ebay buy it now sales don't count because why? They were not auctions?[/QUOTE]
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