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<p>[QUOTE="robinjojo, post: 4754706, member: 110226"]As phalanx after phalanx of Athenian tetradrachms march across the on-line auction and retail websites, a constant attribute that almost guarantees a premium is the presence of Athena's helmet's crest, the more complete, the better.</p><p><br /></p><p>Which raises a question for bidders and buyers: "To crest or not to crest, that is the crestion".</p><p><br /></p><p>In terms of overall appeal, any ancient coin that shows all of the design elements should, other things being equal, be deemed more desirable and thus command a higher price. That's really just common sense. But the question is, to what degree should a full crest command a significant premium?</p><p><br /></p><p>This is an Athenian tetradrachm, mass production (mid or so), from Roma, that has a good portion of the crest present.</p><p><br /></p><p>Note the relatively wide flan used in mid mass production owls (25mm) allowed for more of the crest detail to show on the coin. This was done at the cost of the minor loss of chin and nose.</p><p><br /></p><p>Athens, After 449 BC</p><p>Tetradrachm</p><p>Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet ornamented with three olive leaves above visor and spiral palmette on bowl, round earring with central boss and pearl necklace.</p><p>Reverse: Owl standing to right with head facing, olive sprig and crescent behind, ΑΘΕ before; all within incuse square.</p><p>17.22 grams</p><p>25mm, 2h</p><p><br /></p><p>Near mint state.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1160437[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The flans used to strike archaic, transitional and mass production owl tended to be narrow, sometimes "dumpy" (especially for the archaic owls) and quite irregular in many cases. This limitation almost guarantees that some part of the obverse, sometime reverse, is off the flan. In the case of the above coin, part of the "E" is off the flan on the reverse.</p><p><br /></p><p>The hammer price for this coin was £550. With a 20% buyer's commission, the total cost (not including postage or currency conversion fees) was £660 or $818, which seems to be the going price for an example such as this.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a true "full crest" tetradrachm (not mine), which sold at auction for £1,700, not including buyer's commission.</p><p><br /></p><p>Athens, After 449 BC</p><p>Tetradrachm</p><p>Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet ornamented with three olive leaves above visor and spiral palmette on bowl, round earring with central boss and pearl necklace.</p><p>Reverse: Owl standing to right with head facing, olive sprig and crescent behind, ΑΘΕ before; all within incuse square.</p><p>17.17 grams</p><p>25mm, 1h</p><p><br /></p><p>Near Extremely Fine</p><p><br /></p><p>Coupled with a wide flan, for Athens, is a compact die, which helped in producing a full detail coin. Compared with the first coin, the style is more refined and not nearly as crude.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.romanumismatics.com/catalogue_images/auction/xlarge/3119.4.79_1.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, there are other factors to consider with these coins, other than the presence or lack of crest detail. The above coin, while high grade and showing a lot of design elements, is relatively crude in style compared to earlier tetradrachms.</p><p><br /></p><p>The earlier tetradrachms appear to have been struck on fairly small, narrow flans. While the crest is virtually absent on this example, the die work is finer in style, both in the rendering of Athena and the owl, with more of a high relief, sculptural effect.</p><p><br /></p><p>Athens, 460-454 BC</p><p>Tetradrachm</p><p>Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet decorated with three olive leaves over visor and a spiral palmette on the bowl.</p><p>Reverse: Owl standing right, head facing, with spread tail feathers; olive sprig and crescent behind; all within incuse square.</p><p>Starr Group IV</p><p><br /></p><p>NGC VF</p><p><br /></p><p>Purchased through eBay in 2019.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1160442[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, here's an early mass production coin, from Roma, with minimal crest detail.</p><p><br /></p><p>Athens, After 449 BC</p><p>Tetradrachm</p><p>Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet ornamented with three olive leaves above visor and spiral palmette on bowl, round earring with central boss and pearl necklace.</p><p>Reverse: Owl standing to right with head facing, olive sprig and crescent behind, ΑΘΕ before; all within incuse square.</p><p>17.16 grams</p><p>24mm, 8h.</p><p><br /></p><p>Good Very Fine</p><p><br /></p><p>Slightly lower relief for both the obverse and reverse with this coin (more with the obverse). Still, it is clear that care was still being taken both with die preparation and striking. The flan is a bit cruder compared with the Starr IV coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1160446[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>So, is the full crest the end all when considering bidding on or buying one of these fascinating and historical coins? Of course not. With so many owls on the market, one should be able to pursue one's bliss, within, of course, one's budget.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you have any owls or other coins that you'd like to post, please do so.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thank you.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="robinjojo, post: 4754706, member: 110226"]As phalanx after phalanx of Athenian tetradrachms march across the on-line auction and retail websites, a constant attribute that almost guarantees a premium is the presence of Athena's helmet's crest, the more complete, the better. Which raises a question for bidders and buyers: "To crest or not to crest, that is the crestion". In terms of overall appeal, any ancient coin that shows all of the design elements should, other things being equal, be deemed more desirable and thus command a higher price. That's really just common sense. But the question is, to what degree should a full crest command a significant premium? This is an Athenian tetradrachm, mass production (mid or so), from Roma, that has a good portion of the crest present. Note the relatively wide flan used in mid mass production owls (25mm) allowed for more of the crest detail to show on the coin. This was done at the cost of the minor loss of chin and nose. Athens, After 449 BC Tetradrachm Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet ornamented with three olive leaves above visor and spiral palmette on bowl, round earring with central boss and pearl necklace. Reverse: Owl standing to right with head facing, olive sprig and crescent behind, ΑΘΕ before; all within incuse square. 17.22 grams 25mm, 2h Near mint state. [ATTACH=full]1160437[/ATTACH] The flans used to strike archaic, transitional and mass production owl tended to be narrow, sometimes "dumpy" (especially for the archaic owls) and quite irregular in many cases. This limitation almost guarantees that some part of the obverse, sometime reverse, is off the flan. In the case of the above coin, part of the "E" is off the flan on the reverse. The hammer price for this coin was £550. With a 20% buyer's commission, the total cost (not including postage or currency conversion fees) was £660 or $818, which seems to be the going price for an example such as this. Here's a true "full crest" tetradrachm (not mine), which sold at auction for £1,700, not including buyer's commission. Athens, After 449 BC Tetradrachm Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet ornamented with three olive leaves above visor and spiral palmette on bowl, round earring with central boss and pearl necklace. Reverse: Owl standing to right with head facing, olive sprig and crescent behind, ΑΘΕ before; all within incuse square. 17.17 grams 25mm, 1h Near Extremely Fine Coupled with a wide flan, for Athens, is a compact die, which helped in producing a full detail coin. Compared with the first coin, the style is more refined and not nearly as crude. [IMG]https://www.romanumismatics.com/catalogue_images/auction/xlarge/3119.4.79_1.jpg[/IMG] Of course, there are other factors to consider with these coins, other than the presence or lack of crest detail. The above coin, while high grade and showing a lot of design elements, is relatively crude in style compared to earlier tetradrachms. The earlier tetradrachms appear to have been struck on fairly small, narrow flans. While the crest is virtually absent on this example, the die work is finer in style, both in the rendering of Athena and the owl, with more of a high relief, sculptural effect. Athens, 460-454 BC Tetradrachm Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet decorated with three olive leaves over visor and a spiral palmette on the bowl. Reverse: Owl standing right, head facing, with spread tail feathers; olive sprig and crescent behind; all within incuse square. Starr Group IV NGC VF Purchased through eBay in 2019. [ATTACH=full]1160442[/ATTACH] Finally, here's an early mass production coin, from Roma, with minimal crest detail. Athens, After 449 BC Tetradrachm Obverse: Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet ornamented with three olive leaves above visor and spiral palmette on bowl, round earring with central boss and pearl necklace. Reverse: Owl standing to right with head facing, olive sprig and crescent behind, ΑΘΕ before; all within incuse square. 17.16 grams 24mm, 8h. Good Very Fine Slightly lower relief for both the obverse and reverse with this coin (more with the obverse). Still, it is clear that care was still being taken both with die preparation and striking. The flan is a bit cruder compared with the Starr IV coin. [ATTACH=full]1160446[/ATTACH] So, is the full crest the end all when considering bidding on or buying one of these fascinating and historical coins? Of course not. With so many owls on the market, one should be able to pursue one's bliss, within, of course, one's budget. If you have any owls or other coins that you'd like to post, please do so. Thank you.[/QUOTE]
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