Richard the Lionheart pickup

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Nathan F, Jul 27, 2020.

  1. Nathan F

    Nathan F Well-Known Member

    image.jpg image.jpg I just picked up this today for $48. It is a Richard the Lionheart obol, one of few coins with Richards name on it. I also thought it was neat as it’s from the Anglo Gallic Kingdom. Feel free to post any related coins below!
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    That was a good deal, congrats. Nice looking coin too.

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    Richard I "Lionheart" (1189 - 1199 A.D.
    Anglo-Gallic, Aquitaine Count of Poitou and Duke of Aquitaine 1172-1185 A.D., King of England 1189-1199 A.D.
    AR denier
    O: + / RICA / RDVS / ω.
    R: +AQVITANIE. Cross pattée.
    Bordeaux mint.
    19mm
    .83g
    Elias 4; Poey D'Avant 2768.
     
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  4. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    An obol? Nice. Those are usually more rare than the Deniers. I don’t have one from Aquitaine yet, but do have an issue from Poitou:
    Med-05a-FPoi-1168-Richard I-D-343A.jpg French Feudal - Poitou
    Richard I, r. 1168-1185
    AR Denier, 17mm x 1 grams
    Obv.: +RICARDUS REX, cross patée, annulet in third quarter
    Rev.: PIC / TAVIE / NSIS, written in three parallel lines
    Ref.: AGC 343A (1/a), Duplessy 926, Roberts 3887, SCBC 8008, De Wit 394
    Note: My First Medieval Coin

    as a point of specificity, there is no such thing as the Anglo-Gallic kingdom. It’s a convenient method of describing the King of England’s issues for the lands he owned in France.
     
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  5. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Nice catch on that obol.
     
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  6. Nathan F

    Nathan F Well-Known Member

    What would be the best way to describe it then, just as Aquitaine?
     
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  7. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Describe it however you like! Technically it is a feudal issue of Aquitaine, yes. So it is a coin issued by the Duke of Aquitaine, who happens to also be the a king of England, but also Duke of the French Duchy of Aquitaine.
     
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  8. Nathan F

    Nathan F Well-Known Member

    Ok thanks, that clears things up. I was confused when researching exactly where it was meant for circulation.
     
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  9. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    For whatever reason, the Aquitaine issues of Richard seem harder to locate than the Poitou. I'm still looking for a decent one.

    Here is my Poitou:
    richard-i-2_0.jpg
     
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  10. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Congrats on the awesome pick up @Nathan F
    An obol of Richard for $48 is a great deal. Anglo-Gallic coins are a really great area to collect. They offer very famous figures from history and a ton of variety and denominations. Here is one of my more recent acquisitions of Richard.

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  11. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    yorkcoins had a couple from the Steve Ford Collection (one of the authors of the latest book on Anglo-Gallic coins). I intended on buying one, but dragged my feet and they are all sold now. Kicking myself over that.
     
  12. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    I agree Fitz, and really regret not getting some of those Anglo-Gallic coins from the Steve Ford collect, at least the one I could afford. Also, I miss York Coins being an active dealer in medieval coins. It seems like a couple of years have passed since that was the case. The selection was fantastic back in the day, some of my favorite coins came from them.
     
  13. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I was wondering how active they were actually - I haven’t visited their site often because most of their stock was out of my price range. But when I went there recently it seemed most of their listings were marked as ‘sold’
     
  14. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Pretty cool coin Nathan. Nice addition to the collection. Given the historical nature of the coin I'm sure you are pretty pleased.
     
  15. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    You could call the domains that Henry II and Richard owned as the "Angevin Empire."

    Here is Henry:

    henri2.jpg

    And here is Richard, with parts of other coins attached to it:

    richard1.jpg
     
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  16. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I would argue against Angevin Empire as well, as the Angevins’ lands were not subject to the same law or even the same monarch (again, king of England in England, but Anjou, Normandy, Aquitaine, etc subject to the King of France). Again, it’s a convenient moniker, but not an accurate one.
     
  17. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    It's at least better than the weird but very popular "Anglo-Gallic" designation and it serves the purpose of adding the possessions of the Plantagenetes into a single nomenclature (if you actually need doing that). It's also more accurate as it states the ruling family and it's easier to follow historically. Sure it's a modern composit, but many things in our historical taxonomy are just that: modern conventions. Some more fit to purpose than others.
     
  18. VD76

    VD76 Well-Known Member

    Here is my
    France, Poitou, Richard I (1189-1199)
    AR Denier
    +RICARDVS REX" around a cross
    PIC/TAVIE/NSIS
    0.78 g.
    Roberts 3886
    E323BF11-8F64-458A-8D9B-044C35ED6BFB.jpeg
     
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