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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dltsrq, post: 7507632, member: 75482&quot;]Classes 4 and 5 are are distinguished primarily by the portrait. Compare the two coins I posted previously. The first coin is class 5, the second is class 4. The portrait on the op is mushy but clearly not class 5. That leaves us with 4b or 4c. North rates 4c as &quot;very rare&quot;.</p><p><br /></p><p>As to whether it&#039;s Richard or John, North puts the Richard/John divide at 4a/4b. On the other hand, the several 4b coins in the CNG archives are all assigned to Richard. I suspect something has changed along this line in the last 30 years.</p><p><br /></p><p>One can always play it safe and go with &quot;in the name of Henry II, posthumously by Richard I and/or John&quot;...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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