Revisiting Roman coins with a Domitian dark beauty

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Sallent, Sep 13, 2016.

  1. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I know I've been on a huge Islamic/Indian tear over the last 2 months, but I finally made some time for another Roman which I was badly in need of to take a step closer towards completing a set of Flavian Emperors (one of my long term goals), a Domitian AR Denarius of Minerva.

    Not because this is my coin, but isn't this one handsome portrait of Domitian? And look at that old toning. I love silver black beauties, so that old toning was a huge motivator in my purchase of this coin.

    What do you think of my coin? And see, I haven't forgotten ancient European coins, despite my recent passions for the more obscure Indian and Islamic coinage.:D

    Domitian Minerva denarius.jpg
    Domitian
    AR Denarius 19mm. 3.10g. Rome Mint 87 A.D.
    Laureate head, r.
    IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR P VII
    Minerva advancing r., brandishing javelin and holding shield on prow of ship, eagle at feet.
    IMP XIIII COS XIII CENS P P P
    RIC II 92; RSC II 218

    Oh, and let me share again my denarius of his daddy, Emperor Vespasian.

    Vespasian Iovis.jpg

    Feel free to share your Domitian or Flavian coinage in general...or if you don't have any, how about a silver dark beauty? If you have some nice old toning on those coins, don't hide them, share!
     
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  3. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    Nice coins! Their faces look like they took a few punches to the nose.
     
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  4. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Very nice coins. I love the toning on the first one.
     
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  5. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I love the portraits Domitian's engravers were producing in 87. Yours is a great example of why I find them quite fetching. Nicely toned too.
     
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  6. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Wrong bird, but seriously, great coin... I really like the portrait and toning. I have one of these, from a later issue, and not as nice.

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    And some old cabinet toning...

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  7. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Nice => that's a very sweet lookin' OP-example, Sallent (congrats)

    Ummm, here are a few of my Flav-favs ...

    Vespasian

    vespasian JA photos.jpg


    Titus

    Titus & Dolphin.jpg


    => and yup, it's Dom the Bomb!! (back for another curtain-call)

    domitiana.jpg domitianb.jpg

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  9. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    I used to have an example of the OP coin that I bought in person at Spink in London some years ago. FWIW, I believe that is an owl at Minerva's feet and not and eagle. Congrats Sallent.

    Domitian Denarius Spink London Trip 2008.jpg
     
  10. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Glad I got a good year for portraits then, considering I did get one of his common as dirt silver issues.

    What about Titus? Any particular silver types that you would recommend?
     
  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Yes, it's an owl. Another FWIW, Minerva is actually standing on the capitol of a rostral column decorated with prows. Many older references erroneously say she is standing on a 'prow'.
     
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  12. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    If you are going to have one denarius type of Titus as Augustus, you would be hard pressed to find a better one than the elephant reverse from 80 AD, RIC 115. It was struck to commemorate the opening games of the Colosseum. My very first Titus denarius was this type. Sentimentally, it's one of my favourite coins.
     
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  13. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @Sallent

    How about one like this...
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That is a great Domitian nose --- portrait. I admit preferring coins of his that are not Minerva simply because so many are but the owl is a good choice if you can have just one. I believe the best single Titus is the dolphin Steve showed from his series honoring gods who might protect Rome from any more Vesuvius type troubles. The elephant as mentioned is fine also as a link to the Colosseum opening. Titus has a lot of nice animals. Perhaps the pigs outrank the bull and capricorn because of the Judaean connection but, if pressed to have just one, I'd cover Judaea with a Vespasian and use Titus for Vesuvius.
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  16. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    This denarius copies a reverse struck by Marc Antony and was coined for Titus as Caesar under Vespasian with whom the type is shared. During Vespasian's reign many older reverse types were recycled from the past, giving the coinage antiquarian and restorative characteristics.
     
  17. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    More recent scholarship (Elkins, the new RIC) possibly link the pulvinaria types to the opening games of the Colosseum. Who knows, perhaps in another 50 years scholarly consensus will come back to a Vesuvius connection.
     
  18. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Great coin. I love that kind of toning too.

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    Domitian (81 - 96 A.D.)
    AR Denarius
    O IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR P VI, laureate head right.
    R: IMP XIIII COS XIII CENS P P P, Minerva standing right on capital of rostral column, holding spear and shield, owl at foot right.
    Rome Mint, 87 A.D.
    3.3g
    19mm
    (RIC [1962] 92), RSC 218, BMC 103

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  19. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Fantastic portraits @Sallent !!

    Love the toned posts guys!!!
     
  20. dlhill132

    dlhill132 Member

    Sallent, nice new coin and it is an awesome portrait. My best toner.

    ~Doug H.

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  21. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Here is one of mine. I really like the portrait on this one.


    Vespasian. AD 69-79. AR Denarius Rome mint. Struck AD 74.

    (18.47 mm, 3.39 g, 6h).

    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESP AUG Laureate head right

    Rev: PONTIF MAXIM Vespasian seated right, holding scepter and branch.

    RIC II 685; BMCRE pg. 27 ; RSC 386.

    Ex: J. Eric Engstrom Collection

    Ex: CNG E-auction 373, Lot 366 April 20, 2016

    new vesp combined.jpg
     
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