Review: For "Fans" of Caracalla

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Jwt708, May 8, 2017.

  1. Bart9349

    Bart9349 Junior Member

    Nice coins. Nice write-up. I have nothing to add other than to state that his baths must have been a glorious sight. They were part baths, part library, part social center, and part gymnasium. They must have been an awesome place to visit.

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    Finally, I would not have wanted my daughter to be his wife, despite the nice coins:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulvia_Plautilla

    ACaracallawithwife.jpg ACaracallawithwifer.jpg APlautillawithcaracalla.jpg APlautillawithcaracallar.jpg
     
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  3. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I apologize for intruding in your thread so much Jwt708 -- it is a fascinating subject for me also. I am going to post my Severan "Victory over Britannia" coin set photos in a separate thread so as not to intrude further.
     
  4. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I think I need to work on the photos for my Caracalla coins, but here are the latest renditions of the same three:
    Anc-08b-R3-k203-Caracalla-DE-130a.jpg
    Anc-08b-R3-k205-Caracalla-DE-136a.jpg Anc-08b-R3-k211-Caracalla-DE-184.jpg

    And my first provincial coin of Caracalla just arrived in the mail... courtesy of Mr. Dorney (pictures not my own, as it is currently slabbed):
    Caracalla Provincial.jpg
     
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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

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  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    No intrusion at all!
     
  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Nice sequence of coins showing Caracalla from boy to man (how many emperors can we do that with?).

    And the reverse composition on the provincial is quite pleasing.
     
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  8. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Speaking of Caracalla's bath, there was an interesting article in the magazine "A Palace for the People: " by doctoral researcher Sadi Maréchal. Really there are plenty of good articles in it that I think most of us here would enjoy reading. There are a couple articles unrelated to Caracalla like one in a continuing series about Greek philosophers, another about Christian martyrs, a lengthy review of The Final Pagan Generation, and a couple more.
     
  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Thanks for the info on old Septimius. I guess he was 65 when he died.
     
  10. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Yes, my goal is a portrait of Caracalla from each year of his reign (from the ones that we can identify anyway). From there I'll start filling in other issues and interesting provincials (but I felt I had to nab that one when I saw it - the portrait is nice, and the reverse is very interesting. It has been described as "Nemesis wearing polos standing facing, head right, holding rein or halter. Serapis seated left holding sceptre, Cerberus at feet." Cerberus kinda did it for me...). This will be a long term project though, as I have so many medievals I want too...
     
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  11. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Oops! Wrong thread. [Post moved] Sorry!
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I had always assumed that the Geta killing was in Rome since they had returned there soon after Septimius died. I believe the main reason Septimius went to Britain was to give the boys something to do and, in vain, develop a relationship other than hate. Septimius probably figured, correctly, that he was in more danger of being killed in Rome by Caracalla than in Britain by barbarians.

    I will take this opportunity to show again my favorite recent acquisition. This Domna tetradrachm of Alexandria is dated year 20 (LK) which began August 29, 211. It shows Caracalla and Geta shaking hands (not a real photo but idealized in line with the wishes of Septimius). Since Geta died on December 26, 211, the coin was not made very long. My guess would be about half a second after Caracalla saw one.
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    To the best of my knowledge, this is the only coin showing the two together after Septimius died. There are earlier joint coins but they would have been approved by Septimius and not the boys. The Marcianopolis below is from the period when Geta was still Caesar. Caracalla later ordered the destruction of these but this one and many others of its type would have been buried by that time. I find it interesting that someone at the Alexandria mint even thought to issue the handshake coin for LK.
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  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    @jamesicus; I was able to verify that Sep Sev's ashes were carried back to Rome: "His sons broke off the operation and set sail back to Rome, carrying the cremated ashes of their father in an urn which they laid to rest in the Mausoleum of Hadrian". This is a quote from "Chronicle of the Roman Emperors" by Chris Scarre.
     
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  14. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    @Bing
    Thank you very much -- excellent research and information.
     
  15. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    me too! york peppermint patty.jpg
     
  16. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    Now I would like to find out if was the awful British food, or the atrocious British weather -- or a combination of both -- that killed off Septimius (and later Constantius)? :happy:
     
  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    When I was researching the above, I read that Sep Sev was already sick when he departed for Britannia. So "infirm", that he had to be carried in a litter to and around Britannia.
     
  18. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Thanks Jwt708, I bought a copy of this issue (# 2) from the publisher today, together with the newest issue (#10) about Ancient Royalty.

    In the past, because of his unsympathetic character, I had decided not to collect Caracalla, but some of his coins accumulated miraculously in my collection, somehow. And they are splendid portraits, too.

    2502 Caracalla tr p iiii.jpg

    Young and innocent...

    3202 Carac Hierap.jpg

    Mean and scowling!

    3203 Caracalla.jpg

    Curious, a fine Greek brockage, but tooled. A nice item that maybe cannot be called a coin.

    3204 Carac Moesia.jpg

    Tiny coin (17 mm) of Nicopolis, Moesia

    3206 Carac Stobi.jpg

    AE27 Stobi, Macedonia, a bit smoothed but still rather nice.
     
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  19. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    i have two coins of him, a denarious with lX the long way, and a Markianopolis Ae with a misspelling of the city. caracalla denarius 004.JPG caracalla denarius 006.JPG Greek Caracalla bronze 001.JPG Greek Caracalla bronze 004.JPG
     
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  20. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Markianopliton, nice!
     
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